Can anyone here offer me any Blackmagic advice?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Matt, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. Matt

    Matt Guest

    I currently have an older edit suite running a Decklink SP card. I am
    building a new edit suite and need some suggestions on a new Decklink card.
    Currently I shoot on a Sony PD-170 producing 30 second TV commercials and
    the occasional 5 to 10 minute marketing video. I have to drop down to BetaSP
    on a UVW1800 for distribution to the network stations in 2 different
    markets. I'm going to upgrade to a Canon XL-H1s but I'll still need to drop
    down to SD to my BetaSP for distribution until the local stations make their
    upgrades. I'd also like the ability to move my current footage over to my
    new edit suite for various ongoing projects. My question is do I need to
    spend a ton of money on an HD Extreme or can I get away with just a Studio
    or even an Intensity Pro? Part of my problem is that no one at any of the TV
    stations can tell me what or how they will take future content, and I still
    need to output to BetaSP for the meantime. Oh and I'm editing with CS4 if it
    matters...
     
    Matt, Nov 3, 2009
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  2. Matt

    David McCall Guest

    I don't deal with any local stations so this may not be of any value.
    We've been doing shows that play at the various cable conventions
    on the surrounding hotels systems. Much of our content, both ads and
    segments have started to show up as data on DVDs. Some of the
    ads have been delivered by FTP or file transfer services. It's been a
    pretty good way to transfer material without the use of analog tape.
    It also makes dealing with the many different formats much easier.

    David
     
    David McCall, Nov 4, 2009
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  3. Matt

    Matt Guest

    I am tentatively planning on DVD's as my output medium at the moment. I have
    asked the stations about FTP and only one currently offers the service but
    they charge a monthly fee. I've also thought about using the smaller flash
    drives but the majority of the stations in my area don't even really want a
    digital file at the moment. They are just not set up to take them in their
    traffic department. They complain that they'll have to interrupt their
    production department in order to utilize their edit suites to drop the file
    down to something traffic can use. They all say they simply can not upgrade
    at the moment due to the economy. Of course I know there's at least 2
    stations who's parent company is in the process of filing bankruptcy.
     
    Matt, Nov 4, 2009
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  4. It looks like you are in a "holding pattern" for delivery format for
    now, but here is a suggestion: shoot and edit in HDV, and down
    convert it for BETA-SP delivery. It will look better than using
    Mini-DV source material. Also, use some other program than CS4
    for editing the HDV, since it doesn't handle it very well (see --
    http://www.donferrario.com/ruether/hdv-editing.htm for a bit more).
    CS4 recompresses ALL footage at HDV export, and it doesn't do
    it very well (serious image degradation is common in the final result).
    It also cannot reexport the same file without recompressing it, so later
    exports must either begin with retained project and source files, or
    suffer further degradation. Sony Vegas has neither of these problems,
    and even the cheap Vegas Platinum 9 works well for editing HDV.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Nov 4, 2009
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  5. Matt

    Matt Guest

    Great... and I have no money left over for another software package... Well
    do you have any expericence with Balckmagic products? They are suggesting
    the Studio for my suite... but if I can get away with the Intensity Pro (of
    which I have no experience with) then I might have enough left over to
    purchase Vegas.
     
    Matt, Nov 4, 2009
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  6. Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9 is currently selling new for a
    "whopping" $64.99 with free shipping from Amazon, at --
    www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Sony+vegas+platinum+9
    That should not break the bank, and it is a remarkably "able" program,
    very similar to Vegas Pro (but not $600+!). For more on it, go here --
    www.donferrario.com/ruether/Sony-editing.htm. That is a basic instruction
    manual I wrote for it - and it includes the URLs for online video tutorials
    on the Sony site. The program itself also includes tutorials that guide you
    through the steps to accomplish various tasks you want to do. It's a neat
    program, and it handles HDV very well.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Nov 4, 2009
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  7. Also, why do you need to use anything but a FireWire port plus
    HDV editing software to do what you want? Capture your raw
    footage to the computer with the free and excellent HDVSplit
    (the download URL is in my article), which splits up the takes
    into numbered clips. Once in the computer, edit the material and
    export a finished file of the video. Export that to your camera, then
    use its audio and video ports to export the video to a BETA-SP
    deck, or whatever else. Nothing fancy or expensive is required,
    so long as the computer is a reasonably fast one with at least a
    dual-core processor.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Nov 4, 2009
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  8. Matt

    Matt Guest

    Ahh... sorry, I overlooked the Movie Studio version of the software, I see
    it now in your original post. The main reason I need a new Blackmagic card
    is that we want to keep our old edit suite up and running for various
    smaller projects and we want the ability to transfer footage and files
    between the two systems... just in case... so I will need some form of
    Blackmagic card in the new system. Also a lot of my commercials are
    extremely last minute and any step I can elimate helps me immensly so if I
    can spend $200 on a card to be able to skip mastering back to the camera and
    then to the deck I feel it's worth it... plus it's a little less wear and
    tear on the camera.
     
    Matt, Nov 4, 2009
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  9. If you do get the Sony software, make sure it is the Platinum *9*
    version of Movie Studio. The plain Movie Studio doesn't handle
    HDV. BTW, there would not be much wear on the camera if you
    export all your takes to the computer at one time (and make your
    selections afterward) rather than selecting them first and shuttling
    tape in the camera to export points. Same with the return of
    material to the camera, which is automatic once a place is chosen
    on the tape to begin recording.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Nov 4, 2009
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  10. Matt

    Matt Guest

    Thanks for the tips! I guess there's no chance that camera allows pass
    through...
     
    Matt, Nov 4, 2009
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  11. Worth a try - who knows...;-) It would probably be in the complete
    specifications if it did, though...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Nov 5, 2009
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