Canon 20D previews

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Mike Kohary, Aug 27, 2004.

  1. Mike Kohary

    Mike Kohary Guest

    For those of you interested in the new Canon 20D digital SLR, for your
    convenience:

    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos20d/
    http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/20d-part1.shtml
    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/20d.html
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E20D/E20DA.HTM
    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6458-7153
    http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_20d-review/

    This looks like a seriously nice camera, perhaps only an incremental upgrade
    over the 10D, but those upgrades are significant: instant turn-on time,
    8.2MP versus 6.3MP for the 10D, and better signal/noise ratio at higher ISOs
    (plus the capability of higher ISO speeds, up to 3200). Check out this shot
    taken at 1600 ISO with no noise reduction applied:

    http://luminous-landscape.com/1photo-pages/l/luca-rest.shtml

    Sweet. :)

    10D owners might be torn over this one, but for this Digital Rebel owner, I
    think an upgrade is a no-brainer. When I get one, I'll report back with my
    own impressions.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Aug 27, 2004
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    james Guest

    Personally, I am waiting to see how well it works with 3rd party lenses.
    Specifically the Sigma line.
    Historically, it seems that Canon manages to introduce a new camera that is
    not compatable with previous versions of Sigma's Canon mount lenses.
    Usually, Sigma will re-chip their lenses to fix the problems, after the new
    camera is introduced. I suspect that if that is the case, there will be
    quite a waiting list on getting current (and hopefully older) Sigma Lenses
    re-chipped to work with the 20D. I want to get a Sigma 50-500 (aka: Bigma)
    for my 10D, but, I will not be selling my 10D until, I know how the 20D
    does with Sigma lenses.
    As for ISO3200, the 10D also supports it. Although, given the info posted on
    the 20D, it will have less visible noise than the 10D at ISO3200.
    I hope you enjoy your new camera when it arrives.
    james
     
    james, Aug 28, 2004
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  3. Could it be that they're too cheap to buy rights to the mount and have
    to reverse engineer it?
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Aug 28, 2004
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  4. Mike Kohary

    Mike Kohary Guest

    The 20D will have the EF-S lens mount, so theoretically anything that can
    attach to the Digital Rebel should be able to attach to the 20D. If it's a
    chip issue, though, who knows?
    Yes, I later noticed the 10D also has ISO 3200, but it does seem the noise
    reduction on the 20D is much improved. I think the press release is a bit
    of hyperbole - i.e. the 20D's ISO 1600 is equivalent to the 10D's ISO 400,
    which I won't believe until I see it. But it is encouraging that digital
    gets less and less noisy at higher ISOs as the technology marches on.
    Looks like I'll be waiting until October, when it's released. Argh - I hate
    waiting. ;)

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Aug 28, 2004
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    james Guest

    In line:

    The EF-S mount on the DRebel and the 20D have nothing to do with wheather or
    not current and older Sigma Lenses will work with the 20D. All Electronic
    Focus lenses, wheather from Canon, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina or any other
    manufacturers, that are designed to work on the EF or EF-S Canon mount
    cameras, all have internal electronic components that give the camera
    information for focusing as well as allow the camera to change focus of the
    lens. Most manufacturers, license the internal software from Canon to make
    their lenses compatable with Canon SLR's. Sigma does not. They just reverse
    engineer the system and design their own software for their lenses to use.
    And because of that , Sigma has had (and probably will have this time too)
    compatibility problems. The famous Error 99 problem with Sigma lenses. I
    have sent a couple of lenses to Sigma to be re-chipped in the past. And one
    they did with no problem , and no cost to me other than shipping. And the
    other, after they had already told me they could re-chip it(phone call),
    they sent back , after writing me, saying they could not rechip the lens
    because it was an older lens and they no longer carried chips for it. Not a
    huge loss, as I got the lens pretty cheap and it does work with my older
    Canon 35mm film camera.
    That is the main reason, (besides I cannot justify spending the money right
    now) for me not wanting to jump on the 20D bandwagon just yet. I will let
    you first adopters to the checking for me!!
    Oh, I have read that the 20D will be available in mid-September. Maybe,
    your's will show up about then.
    I would hate to wait too. Maybe, by the time all the dust settles and they
    have been out for a while, I will know if I even want one or not. I really
    think I would rather invest in better lenses for now. But, then again, if I
    do that, I can no longer blame my lens for those occaisional bad photos I
    take!!!
    james
     
    james, Aug 28, 2004
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  6. Mike Kohary

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Ah, that explains so much. :) I just stick with the Canon lenses - I know
    that costs a premium in comparison, but my business does well enough to
    afford it and I figure that in the end, it's worth saving any potential
    headaches. Guaranteed compatibility goes a long way towards helping me
    enjoy photography instead of worrying about the technical details.
    I'll just keep my eyes out and see when they start turning up. I like to
    read reviews of production models first, too, but Canon has such a good
    track record that I find I have some level of faith in them. Anyway, I
    can't wait - I've pretty much mastered the features on my Rebel, and am
    ready to take it to the next step. Everyone who says that all photographers
    should take a stab at going all manual, at least for a while, are absolutely
    right. Going manual and not letting the camera decide for me has been the
    most liberating artistic experience I could have asked for, and now I'm
    making my camera do stuff for me instead of letting it dictate to me. I
    think the 20D will be the perfect tool with which to expand my canvas even
    further.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Aug 28, 2004
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    Alex Guest

    You forgot 5 frames per second. That alone may be make the upgrade
    worthwhile for many shooters.
     
    Alex, Aug 28, 2004
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  8. Mike Kohary

    Mike Kohary Guest

    And a much larger buffer - yes, I agree that's another significant upgrade.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kohary, Aug 30, 2004
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