Canon 350/XT vs Rebel 2000 (film) shutter lag

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005.

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    Mark Lauter Guest

    I'm considering making the switch from a Rebel 2000 to the new digital XT.
    One of the things that's kept me shooting film for so long is that my 2
    digital cameras have shutter lags that seem like an eternity (Canon s500 and
    Sony F717). By comparison the Rebel 2000 shutter is instantaneous. I never
    miss a shot with this film SLR. The Sony can take over 3 seconds if not
    pre-focused and is over 1 second even when pre-focused.

    I've scoured the web for data on shutter lag for the Rebel 2000, but can't
    find any. I don't even know if shutter lag is a digital only problem.

    If I can find an equipment rental service here in Tampa, I'll just rent an
    XT and try it out, but till then...

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. thx.
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005
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    Alan Adrian Guest

    As a rule, shutter lag is similar on DSLR's as on Film SLR's... The newer
    the shorter too...

    Al...
     
    Alan Adrian, Apr 11, 2005
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    Todd H. Guest

    I agree with you on the lag issue--it's annoying and used to be a a
    compelling reason to stick with film before the advent of affordable
    digital SLR's. dSLR's however are world faster. As such, I believe
    you're currently comparing apples and oranges I believe (aren't these
    non SLR digitals?).

    That said, my Digital Rebel 300D has shutter lag that's
    indistinguishable from my film Elan.

    One would expect the 350XT to be even faster.

    In short, I think the 350XT will make you plenty happy in the shutter
    lag department.

    Best Regards,
     
    Todd H., Apr 11, 2005
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    That said, my Digital Rebel 300D has shutter lag that's
    Good to know. Thanks.
    I will probably take the plunge next month. I'm debating whether or not to
    sell all my film stuff - B&W enlarger, film development kit, etc. Maybe get
    out from under it all before it's too late? But I enjoy working in the dark
    room if I'm in the right mood. So I haven't decided yet.
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    As a rule, shutter lag is similar on DSLR's as on Film SLR's... The newer
    Thx :)
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Mark Lauter wrote:

    Offhand I would guess the Rebel 2000 as on the order of 50 - 70 ms
    shutter lag. No idea for the Drebel or DrebelXT.
    I was dismayed to discover (see prior posts) that the Maxxum 7D shutter
    lag is much longer than I like. Compared to my Maxxum 9 (50-60msec),
    the 7D is about 120 msec pre-focused, which when added to human lag
    comes out to a little over 200ms. This makes sports shooting in
    particular very tricky to get those 'ball-on-bat' type shots.

    Do the 'turntable test' as described in those earlier posts and you can
    compute the total human+machine lag.

    Cheers,
    Alan


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    Mark Lauter Guest

    I've scoured the web for data on shutter lag for the Rebel 2000, but
    can't
    For the XT I've found data suggesting 60 to 100 ms. Sorry, have lost the
    links or would post. :/
    Reminds me of the conversation "Why I love Digital" in alt.photography (was
    cross posted there i think).

    Yeah, I miss more shots with the darn 717 than I capture. :(
    I'll have to look for these posts. Thanks. :)

    Cheers!
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005
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  9. Hi, Mark.

    Shutter lag -- mostly due to slow autofocus -- drove me nuts with
    all-in-one digital cameras. Since I switched to a DSLR, I haven't
    found it to be a problem.

    Regards,
     
    Ben Rosengart, Apr 11, 2005
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    Hi, Mark.

    Hi Ben! :)
    The Sony 717 has pretty slow autofocus, but even pre-focused or in manual
    focus the lag is so long that even a slow moving subject (pedestrian for
    example) can move out of the frame before the thing finally clicks. Ugh.

    My girlfriend doens't mind it, so she will probably get this when I finally
    make to move to digital SLR. High end film processing and professional
    grade film is just getting too expensive to maintain - it's like having a
    cigarette habbit.
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005
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  11. Huh. I had better luck with my Olympus 8080. If I could pre-focus,
    I could usually get the shot. Another problem, though, was that
    autofocus would fail to lock in low light. And manual focusing on
    an EVF is no fun.
    I wish I could get my girlfriend interested in the 8080. She's just
    got too many other things going on to think about photography right
    now.
    More money for lenses, or better yet, for travel. :)
     
    Ben Rosengart, Apr 11, 2005
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  12. Huh. I had better luck with my Olympus 8080. If I could pre-focus,
    I could usually get the shot. Another problem, though, was that
    autofocus would fail to lock in low light. And manual focusing on
    an EVF is no fun.
    I wish I could get my girlfriend interested in the 8080. She's just
    got too many other things going on to think about photography right
    now.
    More money for lenses, or better yet, for travel. :)
     
    Ben Rosengart, Apr 11, 2005
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    Mark Lauter Guest

    High end film processing and professional
    Hmm.. you might have just talked me into selling my entire film kit and
    caboodle.
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 11, 2005
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  14. Yet another reason not to get the 7D. I've yet to see any compelling
    reason to buy a DSLR that doesn't say Nikon or Canon on the front.
     
    Albert Nurick, Apr 12, 2005
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  15. That's why I upgraded to the 828 from the 707. The only things I don't
    like about it are the slow refresh to the second shot (the first is pretty
    much instantaneous with prefocus) and the high-ISO grain. I may break down
    and buy a Canon DSLR after all, but I hate to lose the MPEG video mode, the
    ability to frame an image on the screen, and the ability to eyeball manual
    exposure before the capture.
     
    Albert Nurick, Apr 12, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Nikon? Give me a break. Company lost the pedals in 1985 or so. If I
    had Nikon glass I'd mount it to a Fujifilm S2 / S3, not the weak knee'd D70.

    Canon, I'll give top honors for DSLR.

    The Maxxum 7D in most respects is as good as any of the others, and in
    several respects leaves most in the dust. This includes antishake in
    body, the large monitor and all photographic controls on switches,
    knobs, levers, etc. (eg: not in menus).

    Given my collection of pro Minolta glass (3 lenses of which outperform
    their Nikon or Canon counterparts in sharpness), I really did not have
    much choice unless I wanted to start from scratch after selling my
    lenses at a rather large loss.

    So take your smug attitude and blow off.

    Cheers,
    Alan.

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    Alan Browne Guest

    Not having "the ability to eyeball manual exposure" should be the least
    of your concerns. Get yourself a 20D and kit lens and set it to the
    green square. You'll be happy.



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    but I hate to lose the MPEG video mode

    Buy a video camera - use the right tool for the job ;)
    All the sample images I've seen had unacceptable amounts of noise even at
    ISO 64.
    My experience is that I can't really eyeball the manual exposure because the
    LCD automatically brightens in low light and the results are always MUCH
    darker than appearances. I have much better luck shooting with my Rebel
    2000 because I trust my instincts - use the force Luke. :)
     
    Mark Lauter, Apr 12, 2005
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  19. Perhaps a $2500 DSLR isn't the market alternative to a $1000 camera?
    Agreed. That's where I'm going to spend my money, but the D70 impresses
    me in terms of image quality at the price. Had the 350D not have come
    out, I may be looking hard at the D70.
    Compared to the 20D, the interesting features of the Minolta are the
    built-in antishake and the big LCD. Other than that, it's a D60
    competitor in a 20D world.

    (What's not so great is 6MP vs 8MP, 1/4000 max shutter speed vs 1/8000,
    2.7 FPS vs 5.0 fps, and 2.6 seconds power up vs. 0.3 seconds.)
    Agreed, but at some point, it's a tradeoff that might be time to make.
    Always nice to end with a personal attack. Have a nice day.
     
    Albert Nurick, Apr 12, 2005
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  20. Thanks for your concern, but you're a wee bit misguided. I find it very
    helpful to be able to eyeball the important parts of a contrasty scene to
    make sure that they each have enough dynamic range. Until I get a built-
    in spot meter that calculates based on several spot readings, I'll stick
    with this technique.
    Why? I don't use the full auto setting on my 828.
     
    Albert Nurick, Apr 12, 2005
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