Canon 5D: So it's real. And by the spec, looks very good.

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

    While not "cheap" at an MSRP of US$3300, the 2 Lb 5D does promise a
    lot:

    Finally a spot meter.
    Full frame.
    Large monitor.
    0.3EV ISO steps.

    A few "odd" things:
    6 "invisible assist AF points" within the spot meter circle...
    1/200 sync. (v. 1/250 in the 20D, not that important).
    Viewfinder is 0.71x, but considering "full frame" that's
    understandable, should be bright.
    Dumped the AF assist light (or was it via the built
    in flash in the 20D?)
    3 fps v 5 in the 20D. (Proving again that high fps is not
    that important)

    Sample images from the source:
    http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos5d/eos5d_sample-e.html

    So? Which D60/20D/10D shooters are feeling temptation... when the
    price inneviably falls under $3K ... $2.5K ... do you leap?

    Bret I bet.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2005
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  2. nope, it's a separate device on the 20d.
     
    Dimitri Cohen, Aug 24, 2005
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  3. Alan Browne

    george Guest

    What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
    proves is that memory cost would result in a significantly higher
    price and likely limit the camera's appeal to a much broader market
    most of which isn't professional sports photographers.
     
    george, Aug 24, 2005
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  4. Alan Browne

    Steve Wolfe Guest

    What a lower fps rate on a higher resolution camera (50% higher)
    I find that hard to believe, as memory is so cheap that compared to the
    camera's price, it's near negligible. For someone like Canon, who purchases
    in quanitity, a gigabyte of memory wouldn't cost them more than $50 - and
    probably less. My guess would be that it's size-related, as in a camera
    that small, every 1/2 square inch on the PCB is precious...

    steve
     
    Steve Wolfe, Aug 24, 2005
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  5. Fast memory might cost a whole lot more, or the bus required to support
    a larger cache of memory might the limitation. In either case, it's not
    commodity memory.

    Dave
     
    David Geesaman, Aug 24, 2005
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  6. Was it really necessary to kill the onboard flash? Seems like an
    *afforadable* FF dSLR (when the price drops) but has it been crippled
    with 3fps rate and lack of AF assist? Will photo journalists be ok with
    that low frame rate?

    And where is the movie mode? ;-)

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Aug 24, 2005
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  7. You know....I know you probably said that tongue in cheek...but I would love
    to have movie mode on the D70. To me it doesn't make the camera any less
    serious....and it's a bloody handy thing to have....

    In fact, I would imagine that it would be huge selling point for any dSlr

    I have a lot of friends overseas and would love to be able to shoot a few
    little movies and send them...
     
    Steve Franklin, Aug 24, 2005
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  8. I don't have any puritanistic arguements against more consumer grade
    features in dSLRs but I don't think that the current electronics can
    handle 30fps from a full-frame or even a APS-C sized sensor. Maybe a
    new breed of microprocessors like the cell technology from IBM will
    make it possible.

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Aug 24, 2005
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  9. Tis true. Like leather in a truck, it's an unlikely thing to love.

    Anyway, I have a feeling that the mechanical shutter, combined with a
    sensor setup that maximizes data collection from the full frame at one time,
    makes a downsampled movie mode much harder to integrate.

    Dave
     
    David Geesaman, Aug 24, 2005
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  10. Why not put another small CCD/CMOS sensor that moves in place between
    the mirror and viewfinder's optical path when the movie mode is
    switched on? Just wondering aloud, don't really know much about dSLR
    construction.

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Aug 24, 2005
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  11. Because it would probably be much more cost effective to pocket a P&S
    camera instead. :eek:)

    Dave
     
    David Geesaman, Aug 24, 2005
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  12. Alan Browne

    SMS Guest

    No, what it proves is that the small extra cost for more high speed
    buffer memory would result in decreased sales for much more expensive
    Canon models.
     
    SMS, Aug 24, 2005
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  13. Not sure about cost effectiveness but sure lets you sell a dSLR, P&S
    and handycam to the same guy ;-)

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Aug 24, 2005
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  14. It should also help to solve my problems in getting precise focussing in
    using my 10D for photomicrography. With a poor screen (for manual
    focussing) and the inability to open the shutter to focus from the DV
    output, it really isn't as useful as it ideally should be.

    David
     
    David Littlewood, Aug 24, 2005
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  15. Alan Browne

    Beach Bum Guest

    YES! Finally you don't have to pay for something you'll never use.
     
    Beach Bum, Aug 24, 2005
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  16. Alan Browne

    Mike Warren Guest

    I was wondering how they got the price so low. :)

    -Mike
     
    Mike Warren, Aug 25, 2005
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  17. Alan Browne

    Skip M Guest

    Onboard flash may have affected the viewfinder coverage, and most of the
    users won't miss it, we have shoe mount or off camera flashes, anyway.
    Frame rate is similar to 1Ds mkII, so that may be a function of the sensor
    size, not a "crippling." Canon probably feels it doesn't need AF assist,
    if you're shooting in low light, you'll probably have either a fast lens, or
    a flash mounted. Canon's flashes have their own AF assist lights, and
    better ones than are on the cameras. That being said, the old A2 had a very
    nice AF assist light, near IR, that worked very well. Canon hasn't produced
    one as nice since.
    And don't expect the price to drop much, or soon. Look at the price of the
    1Ds mkII, not much change there, percentage wise, the 1D mkII has dropped,
    what, 200 bucks? 5%? As has the 20D, a year after its intro.
     
    Skip M, Aug 25, 2005
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  18. Alan Browne

    Skip M Guest

    The 5D is supposed to have an optional screen made for critical focusing...
     
    Skip M, Aug 25, 2005
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  19. After owning a dSLR for a year, I found my preference is to enjoy the
    flexibility offered by a dSLR alongwith the superior low-noise sensor
    but without carrying too much baggage around. So no onboard flash means
    no flash for me as I am very less likely to carry an external flash
    around.

    Ofcourse, your usage and preferences may vary.

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Aug 25, 2005
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  20. Yes, I saw that. However, they mention (IIRC) a choice of 3, and I have
    a nasty feeling they will be something with split image wedges and
    microprisms. These are in my experience little better; what is required
    for critical focus in the kind of applications I have in mind is the old
    "I" screen, with a clear centre spot and cross hair. This is the only
    one which is really satisfactory on my 1n.

    Also, the advantage of focussing from the sensor is that it eliminates
    any possible errors from misalignment between the sensor and the
    focussing screen. The disadvantage may be lower resolution of the video
    output.

    At the moment, all too often, I have to fiddle around with focus
    bracketing. The margin for error in photomicrography is as near zero as
    makes no odds.

    David
     
    David Littlewood, Aug 25, 2005
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