Canon 5D stops Olympus E-410 into the dust

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by RichA, Jun 3, 2007.

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    RichA, Jun 3, 2007
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    Ryadia Guest

    Chalk and cheeze.
    The Canon costs at least three times as much as the Olympus. And... It
    meters it's white balance properly.
    I own several Olympus DSLRs (not the one in this test) and am happy to
    report under normal conditions they are an excellent camera. Even when
    printing both camera's images at 8x12 and 8x10 respectively, there is
    virtually no "noise" visible.

    I think considering the price difference, the Olympus is an amazingly good
    performer.
     
    Ryadia, Jun 3, 2007
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    So, when the E-3 is released at $1700 and the 5D price at that point
    is $2300, we'll see performance parity? Or near-parity? Having said
    that, his shot with the E-410 have some serious problems I can't
    reproduce, namely lack of sharpness and horrible colour bleed.
    Something (could be anything) was not quite right. But, his test was
    more for noise comparison and there is no comparison there.
     
    RichA, Jun 3, 2007
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    Ryadia Guest

    My contention is that even 1 stop under exposure will dramatically alter the
    noise of ANY image when it is corrected during later processing. I used an
    E300 Olympus at ISO 1600 to produce a series of photos for a magazine I used
    to publish. None of them when correctly exposed, exhibited any of the noise
    problems these cameras are supposed to produce. Here is one:
    http://www.ryadia.com/PFF/june/E300_ISO1600.htm
    There is noise in the deep shadow which was removed in an instant with
    "noise ninja", a plug-in for Photoshop.
     
    Ryadia, Jun 3, 2007
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    Mark², Jun 3, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    You actually think that comparing the E-3's future "release price"
    with that of a 5D that will have been sold for over 1 1/2 years, and
    whose price has been reduced several times makes for a fair price
    comparison? Oops, pardon. "think" is not operative.
     
    ASAAR, Jun 4, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Gee, had I posted an image downsized from normal to 800x600 at 1600
    ISO, I don't think you'd see any noise either, and I wouldn't even
    have to run it through NN.
    IMO, based on what I'm seeing, Canon has a 1.5 stop advantage when it
    comes to noise control. That's a ballpark and based on raw, not noise-
    washed jpegs.
    If you can shoot correct exposures for an image, no problem, noise
    supression is very good with the E-410. But how many images allow
    that, unless they have zero dynamic range. You shoot a daylight shot
    with the sun out, you've got something like 9 stops of difference in
    one scene. Take a look at the darker areas you have because you
    didn't want to blow out the whites. The big problem is that you've
    got two things working against you with the Oly. Higher noise and
    narrower dynamic range. If anyone doubts this, I can prove it in
    spades. The really bad thing is that the Oly's two issues make each
    other worse! Narrower dyanamic range means you have to underexpose
    dark areas more than with a Canon, in order not to blow out the
    whites, this in-turn leads to more noise in those necessarily darker
    areas that you are presumably going to try to bring up in post
    processing to render detail. Anything over 200 ISO with any Oly,
    shooting a scene with normal dynamic range is inviting problems. The
    only solution to be competitive with the Canon shooter is much faster
    lenses, which with Oly cost a fortune.
     
    RichA, Jun 4, 2007
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  9. Well that's not so bad, the sensor has 1/4 the area and 80% the number
    of pixels. What did you expect? The olympus seems like a nice camera
    otherwise, though.
     
    achilleaslazarides, Jun 4, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    65% of the area. I was talking more of the 1.5 sensors in the Rebel
    XTi, Nikon D80, D40x, Pentax K10D, etc.
    At 100-200 ISO, there is no major issue with Olympus. Beyond that,
    you have issues.
    So, if you only shoot low ISOs, no problem exists.
     
    RichA, Jun 4, 2007
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  11. Well I went to dpreview.com and looked up the sensor size in the e410,
    it's roughly half the length, so 1/4 the area, of the 5D.
    OK, since you initially started with the olympus I thought you were
    still talking about it.
     
    achilleaslazarides, Jun 4, 2007
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    frederick Guest

    That is IMO the #1 problem with Olympus 4/3. Not so compact, not so
    affordable:
    Zuiko 35-100mm f2.0 ~ $2200
    Weight - 1650 grams
    Nikkor 80-200 non VR ~ $850 (discontinued AF-s version was more)
    Weight ~ 1300 grams
    Canon 70-200 non IS ~ $1150
    Weight ~ 1300 grams
    Sigma 50-150 f2.8 ~ $670
    Weight - 780 grams.
     
    frederick, Jun 5, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Well the 50-200mm Olympus f2.8-3.5 is about $900.00, it's slower than
    the Nikon though.
    Friend just bought the 70-200 Nikon, silent wave, VR, $2000.00
    But the superpro Olympus lenses do cost, like the 150mm f2. The 50-250
    f2.8 is about $6000.00
     
    RichA, Jun 5, 2007
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