Canon announces EF-S 18-200 IS

Discussion in 'Canon' started by SMS, Aug 26, 2008.

  1. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Finally Canon has a lens to compete with the Nikon 18-200 VR. Hopefully
    it'll be better than the Nikon lens which has been panned for build
    quality and distortion at the wide end. I think it'll be like the 10-22
    EF-s, praised for its L quality optics, but not for its build quality.
     
    SMS, Aug 26, 2008
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  2. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Yeah, the reviews of these 18-200 "vacation zoom" lenses often show them
    to be a compromise, but Canon seems to get it right more than Nikon when
    it comes to distortion. Look at the extreme wide-angle zooms, Where
    Canon's 10-22 EF-s is praised for its L quality optics but the much
    higher cost Nikon 12-24 DX is heavily criticized for its distortion at
    the wide end.

    We'll see how it is soon, but I want to believe that Canon was able to
    pull off the same magic they did with the 10-22. Don't pre-judge this
    lens based on similar range stabilized zooms from Nikon, Sigma, and
    Quantaray.

    Canon itself describes the mechanical construction as "mid-grade," which
    is what's usually the case for their mid-range lenses (above the really
    low end kit lenses but below the really high end L series lenses).
     
    SMS, Aug 26, 2008
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  3. SMS

    Guest Guest

    the nikon lens actually gets praise for it's image quality, while the
    tokina 12-24 is about as good for half the money. distortion is minor,
    nothing out of the ordinary. and the canon 10-22 is comparable, but
    with 2mm extra at the wide end and 2mm less at the long end.

    and if you really want to see where nikon excels, look at the 14-24.
    quantaray is a rebadged sigma and there's also tamron too. the canon
    lens will probably be comparable to the nikon, both of which will
    surpass the third party versions in optical quality. and an 11x zoom
    is *not* easy to make, for anyone, even canon. nevertheless, it will
    be interesting to see how it compares with the nikon.
    so in other words, it's a plastic toy. :)
     
    Guest, Aug 26, 2008
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  4. SMS

    Me Guest

    Hopefully with release coinciding with 15mp 1:1.6 crop, the optics will
    be up to the task. Based on the using the Nikkor 18-200 on D70 and
    D300, there's practically nil return from the extra pixels. The increase
    is evident with good glass at large print size.
     
    Me, Aug 26, 2008
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  5. SMS

    D-Mac Guest

    Yeah right and I just ordered lenses for my new 5D. How did they know?
     
    D-Mac, Aug 26, 2008
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  6. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Sure you do. A lot of people will still want a wide-angle lens, 16 to 18
    mm equivalent, though maybe a fixed 10 or 12mm would be sufficient
    rather than a zoom. Similarly, 200mm is kind of short for wildlife photos.

    For somethling like the 50D I think the EF-S 10-22mm, EF-S 17-85mm,
    70-300/4-5.6 IS, would be ideal, though that's not what I have. I'm
    still using my old 28-105 USM, and 100-300 USM, both solid performers,
    but no IS. I got the kit lens with the camera (18-55) but that was a
    mistake as I never use it. I also never use my old 20-35mm wide angle
    lens from my film days, but it's patiently waiting for full frame.
     
    SMS, Aug 26, 2008
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  7. SMS

    saycheez Guest

    Having used the Sigmas (both) and the Nikon: there are no great differences
    in performance optically between any of the lenses in this category.
    The image stabilization is a great boon--it makes up for the dubious optical
    performance of the Nikon which, in my personal experience, is a tad lower
    than the Sigmas but all acceptable for their intended uses.
    These are great lenses for travelling when you only want to carry one
    humongous lens on one humongous camera.
    In truth this aging amateur is finding it less desirable to lug a neck
    breaking SUV sized lens and camera combo on every trek.
    For souvenir picture taking the raw mode on e.g. Panasonic Lumix EVFs is
    better than you think--well there is that noise thing . . .
     
    saycheez, Aug 26, 2008
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  8. SMS

    D-Mac Guest


    Not to mention the 5 second save time the camera is disabled for.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 27, 2008
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  9. SMS

    D-Mac Guest

    I vaguely recall when I looked at that lens for my wife's Nikon that it
    wasn't suitable for the newer model cameras like D50 - D60. Something
    about no autofocus on them.

    I must say I was always partial to Tamron lenses - way back when the
    adaptal was all the rage. I bought a 11-18 DI II (IF) lens for my Canon
    recently and although it takes relatively sharp images, it's autofocus
    is gritty and unbelievably slow.

    When I took it back, all the others on the shelf were the same. Sort of
    puts one off a brand when that happens. I think I'll stick with Sigma.
    At least I know what I'll get and knowing the dealer, I can try a couple
    before choosing one.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 27, 2008
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  10. SMS

    Guest Guest

    Feels just like the EF-S 18~55, and the 55~200, not as solid feeling as the
    Nikon, or Pentax versions. I wonder why Canon took so long to come up with
    this mattel lens
     
    Guest, Aug 27, 2008
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  11. SMS

    Guest Guest

    nonsense. the nikon is *much* better than the sigma, both optically
    and the stabilization. in fact i could *see* the difference in the
    stabilization through the viewfinder, it was that apparent. popular
    photography rated it about 1-2 stops versus 4+, if i recall.
     
    Guest, Aug 27, 2008
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  12. SMS

    D-Mac Guest


    Remember you have to switch the OS on for it to work!
     
    D-Mac, Aug 27, 2008
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  13. SMS

    D-Mac Guest

    Canon ETHOS:
    Market domination at any price!

    Suddenly Nikon are threatening it and that lens is one of the biggest
    reasons for someone stepping up to DSLR to buy Nikon DSLRs. Once in the
    loop, it's hard to break it.

    Canon know this and for them it's like watching a speed boat race with
    their boat missing 100HP. They know they're not going to win but won't
    stop anyway.

    The single biggest feature missing when you step up from a Digicam to a
    DSLR is the 10X zoom lens. How smart of Nikon to discover this so many
    years after making DSLRs? More importantly, how stupid of Canon not to?

    Image quality is relative. 80% of DSLR images never make it to print.
    Hell, even a shoe phone image looks good at 720 pixels wide.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 27, 2008
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  14. SMS

    Guest Guest

    it was on. that's what i was comparing.
     
    Guest, Aug 27, 2008
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  15. SMS

    OldBoy Guest

    How to rape a good camera: put an 18-200 on it :)

    The Nikon, Tamron and Sigma are IQ-wise very bad and the Canon will be no
    better.
    The difference in IQ is seen on screen.
    See:
    http://www.eosdigitaal.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55043&highlight=doorhof
     
    OldBoy, Aug 27, 2008
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  16. SMS

    Ray Fischer Guest

    Given that Canon isn't selling/shipping these yet that's obvious
    speculation.
    That's the standard by which all businesses are run. They exist to
    make money and those that fail cease operations. If you believe
    otherwise then you are a fool and a sucker.
     
    Ray Fischer, Aug 27, 2008
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  17. Please explain more - I have not seen any "5-second save time" on the
    several Panasonic compact cameras I have owned and used.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Aug 27, 2008
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  18. SMS

    SMS Guest

    OldBoy wrote:

    It's not clear that the Canon 18-200 lens will be as bad (optically) as
    the others. It won't be great, but in the past Canon has been a clear
    step above the others in optical quality of their mid-range consumer
    zoom lenses. Just look at how much better the Canon 10-22 is than the
    Nikon 12-24 (even the Nikon aficionados like Ken Rockwell acknowledge this).

    In any case, they had to make this lens. The lack of such a lens was
    costing them sales of bodies, and hence future lens sales. I can just
    see the marketing people fighting with the engineers about the necessity
    of a lens with this range. That Canon resisted for so long is what's
    really amazing. Canon is more of an engineering-centric company than a
    marketing-centric company, while Nikon is the opposite, but eventually
    you have to sell what the market demands.
     
    SMS, Aug 27, 2008
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  19. SMS wrote:
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    We are about to buy a new DSLR body and carry-round lens, so the proven
    Nikon 18-200mm it will be, and probably a D60 body, although the D90 with
    movie mode is tempting. The lack of such a lens did help rule out Canon.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Aug 27, 2008
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  20. SMS

    D-Mac Guest

    It is the FZ series shooting in RAW mode. They save a high res JPEG and
    a FULL res RAW file which is basically just a TIFF in drag.

    It's more like 2.8 seconds but it is a significant time the camera is
    off-line. Enough to make its users turn to shooting in JPEG only.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 27, 2008
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