Canon Camera Decisions

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by Nick, Aug 22, 2008.

  1. Nick

    Nick Guest

    Hello guys........Canon Camera Decisions

    Fortunately I have no money free at the moment to pursue a camera, but
    I am on the hunt so that when I do have the cash flow, I’ll be able to
    act almost right away. The Fujifilm S100FS is a bridge camera (I’ve
    been calling them semi-compacts until this week, only just found out
    the correct term). It is almost like an SLR except the lens doesn’t
    disconnect. It does the things I want: long zoom, 1cm macro, image
    stabilisation and so forth.
    For more reviews : http://www.digitalcamerareviewsblog.com/6530/camera-decisions/
     
    Nick, Aug 22, 2008
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    Get a quality used dslr instead of a "bridge camera (POS)" you can get
    canon rebels for as low as 250 bucks used now.


    Hello guys........Canon Camera Decisions

    Fortunately I have no money free at the moment to pursue a camera, but
    I am on the hunt so that when I do have the cash flow, I’ll be able to
    act almost right away. The Fujifilm S100FS is a bridge camera (I’ve
    been calling them semi-compacts until this week, only just found out
    the correct term). It is almost like an SLR except the lens doesn’t
    disconnect. It does the things I want: long zoom, 1cm macro, image
    stabilisation and so forth.
    For more reviews :
    http://www.digitalcamerareviewsblog.com/6530/camera-decisions/
     
    Dirty Harry, Aug 25, 2008
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    Dave Guest


    about 18 months ago I decided it was time to buy a new camera.
    My budget had me deciding between the 'Canon Rebel' and
    'Fuji FinePix s9600'. I spend days on reviews (which is what any
    potential buyer should do). The Fuji is what I decided on
    and what a clever decision:)
     
    Dave, Aug 25, 2008
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    KatWoman Guest

    the canon rebel is excellent for an inexpensive entry, a pro could use it
    (10 Megapixels)
    fits all the excellent optics lenses by canon

    camera choice such an individual decision according to your goals and needs

    we already had a large assortment of Canon lenses from oldie manual Slr so
    that made the decision to enter pro digital with canon 10d
    the rebel now has more megapixels plus very decent repeat rate for fast
    shooters like sports or fashion people etc


    but I did buy a bridge camera before making the switch to canon digital
    mostly for me to use as snapshot camera and hubby for intro to digital
    as a pro the Minolta dimage 7 frustrated him hugely, he felt very limited
    with it, but gained enthusiasm for the digital (my goal to let him discover
    it's wonders)
    for me the Dimage was great
    got macro and decent zoom without using the optical zoom
    for it's time it was a high mega pixel (now it isn't ..it's old)
    I AM NOT A PRO shooter, I love the macro feature and other semi pro choices
    it had (under over exposure, text setting for copy negs) the lens was
    versatile enough for close and scenics the two things I shoot most

    if you do lot of telephoto do not buy the fixed lens camera -
    optical zoom is vastly inferior to real zoom

    If you are on a tight budget though a lens collection may be out of reach
    after using the old canon AF lens we realized they would not work in many
    situations
    we are working on replacing them now with stabilized lens
    the best purchase we made from Canon 70-210 IS 2.8
    make sure if you do love tele or long lens to get IMAGE STABILIZER lens
    digital seems more sensitive to camera shake with them

    there is one or two camera brands that do put image stabilization camera I
    think the concept is superior
    Sony is one
    they are not know for still camera but digital is so more similar to video
    in many ways
    maybe research it
     
    KatWoman, Aug 26, 2008
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    Dave Guest

    KatWoman pointed out a few things which made
    very important contributions to my decision to buy the s9600
    Many amateurs only stare at the word DSLR and its price but may be
    mislead if they don't also compare facilities and find out what the
    real price would be if including al the lenses to the DSLR which is
    default part of the non-DSLR.
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082412fujis9600.asp
     
    Dave, Aug 27, 2008
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  6. Nick

    Dave Guest

    Quoted from the link shown here:

    ........The FinePix S9600’s optional Wide Conversion Lens, WL-FXS6 ,
    expands the camera’s wide-angle capability without compromising image
    quality. It allows the extreme angles of view normally only available
    with changeable lenses on an SLR camera.......

    ......Adrian Clarke, Fujifilm’s Director of Photo Products, said:
    “Digital SLRs are steadily dropping in price, which has increasingly
    made them an option for non-professional photographers. However, this
    affordability does not necessarily mean they are the best choice of
    camera, especially if the photographer is used to the flexibility and
    convenience that compact digital cameras can offer. The FinePix S9600
    fills the gap between two worlds by combining the usability of a
    compact with performance that can challenge an entry-level digital
    SLR.”....
     
    Dave, Aug 27, 2008
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    KatWoman Guest

    not to mention there are pocket cameras now with high megapixels, very
    decent zoom, and will focus on faces only or where your eyeball is looking
    for some people the idea of carrying the camera in pocket and having it
    available all the time is more practical than missing a shot b/c you left at
    home the "too bulky" one!!!
     
    KatWoman, Aug 27, 2008
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    Joe Guest

    Since you already have Photoshop retouching skill so you are about 1/2 to
    the goal of enjoying the beauty of DSLR. And I would suggest to go for DSLR
    instead of P&S (for one with less retouching and post processing skill then
    P&S may suite them better) to enjoy a much higher level of photography.

    - Most DSLRs are fine, but Canon is very good with high ISO and it has a
    good lens system with reasonable price. If you wanna go for Nikon then
    don't settle for anything less than the newer D300 (Nikon has a newer model
    but I haven't read to know much about it) which is about equal to Canon 40D

    - And my only suggestion is DO NOT waste money on cheapie lens. And you
    should be able to capture very sharp image with top_of_the_line_lens.

    I don't worship and brandname or I have Canon, Sigma, Tamron after few
    months reading as much feedbacks as I can.
     
    Joe, Aug 28, 2008
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    Dave Guest


    Important to remember KatWoman's words when she wisely said:
    Go read the specs on the camera I am carrying on my hip and sometimes
    forget about it because it is no burden. I should also mention I am
    not a professional photographer but it is a serious hobby. I spend
    more money on photographing then what I make out of it. My bread and
    butter is in property and my hobby is photographing.

    I have seen journalists with smaller cameras and certainly many free
    lance photographers does not sport bulky DSLR's.

    This is samples of my kind of work - the work I love (and certainly I
    do not need any DSLR therefore):

    http://dave.photos.gb.net/p42079897.html

    http://dave.photos.gb.net/p40034295.html

    http://dave.photos.gb.net/p40012704.html

    http://dave.photos.gb.net/p40012706.html
     
    Dave, Aug 28, 2008
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    It's not snobery, if the guy wants to learn real photography and have actual
    control over his shots instead of just pointing and clicking it seems to me
    like a waste of money to get something you'll just want to get rid of in a
    while. The little point and shoots are nice and yea they have plenty of
    megapixels but they are brutally slow when it comes to shutter lag, also the
    smaller sensors can't compare in terms of noise at higher isos. I'd take an
    8 megapixel 20d over any point and shoot with more megapixels if I was doing
    something serious like a wedding.
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 3, 2008
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  11. Nick

    Dirty Harry Guest

    As to the larger zoom range claim, any lens with a large zoom range is a
    compromize. Either it'll be soft at the long end, short end or just all
    around soft, but don't worry, the p&s camera will add plenty of sharpening
    for you, along with jpeg artifacts...
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 3, 2008
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    KatWoman Guest

    repeat

    camera choice such an individual decision according to your goals and needs
     
    KatWoman, Sep 4, 2008
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    Exactly! There are those who wish to learn the craft and those who whish to
    point and click.
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 5, 2008
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    ronviers Guest

    Hi Mike,

    Odious? Really? Would you agree that a camera needs at least a fully
    manual option to reliably take good photos? What camera do you use?

    Ron
     
    ronviers, Sep 5, 2008
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    ronviers Guest

    Ok, I take your point that the SLR format does tend to stifle
    innovation. But I want lenses I can change and manual control – even
    more controls, like you mentioned. I would also like a remote
    viewfinder I can wear over one eye. The 8700 looks very nice.
     
    ronviers, Sep 5, 2008
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    I'm glad you asked as I'm a huge fan of night time photography. Darn, you
    cant do that on a point and shoot because most of them have a max open
    shutter time of 15 seconds and even at 15 seconds the sensor noise is
    BRUTAL! Why? It's a physical limitation because of the sensor size,
    they're trying to pack all those mega pixels on to an area the size of my
    thumb nail. The small sensor also leads to a very small lens on the front.
    Guess what that means? It means you're not going to be taking any photos
    with a nice background blur (unless you're in the macro range, not so good
    for portraits). The depth of field on a p&s is about equivalent to f 16 on
    an slr (look it up if you don't believe me). You might not want background
    blur for everything but its nice to have the option, I don't know how many
    people have asked me "can you do those pictures with the blurry background?"
    http://www.dustingodwinphoto.com/bird.jpg see the nice cage cause it was
    shot in a zoo? Nope but on a p&s you sure would!
    Some night shots that would be IMPOSSIBLE to take on a p&s:
    http://dustingodwinphoto.com/landscapes/images/img_1425.jpg - judging by the
    star trails that was at least a 5 min exposure.
    http://dustingodwinphoto.com/landscapes/images/img_0689_5x7.jpg this was
    probably only 10-15 seconds but it's completely noise free.
    http://dustingodwinphoto.com/landscapes/images/fireworks_img_2715_4x6.jpg
    http://dustingodwinphoto.com/landscapes/images/framed_img_7461.jpg
    http://dustingodwinphoto.com/edmonton/images/pyramids100007_rt8.jpg
    http://dustingodwinphoto.com/reddeer/images/IMG_8026.jpg - 30 seconds...
    I could dig up another 100 images taken at night that wouldn't be possible
    on a p&s but I haven't updated the site in forever...

    Now don't get me wrong, even I say to myself it would be nice to have a
    little camera I could throw in my pocket but for anything serious I'd be
    chocked at myself if I saw something awesome and I was stuck without my slr.
    ARGH how do I get a shallow DOF on this thing? What? I can't take my night
    pictures unless I want more grain then the local wheat pool? Why am I
    pressing the button and nothing is happening (waits for 2 seconds for the
    camera to finally take the picture)? I love it when I let someone try my
    camera and they take about 10 pictures the first time they press the button
    because they're not expecting the camera to work so fast, followed by a
    "holy shit!"
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 5, 2008
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    I also forgot about the wide angle thing, p&s doesn't have a wide angle,
    sure you can set a silly adapter to screw on the front but the image quaity
    is going to go right out the window. If you only want 4x6 picutres it's ok
    but if you took some really nice pictures wouldn't you like to print them at
    a decent size?
    www.dustingodwinphoto.com/drhdr.jpg
    www.dustingodwinphoto.com/whiteswan2.jpg
    www.dustingodwinphoto.com/drhdr2.jpg
    all shot at 10mm
    Heres a few more long exposure pictures that wouldn't be happening on a p&s
    www.dustingodwinphoto.com/doubletri.jpg
    www.dustingodwinphoto.com/woot3.jpg
    www.dustingodwinphoto.com/powercamera.jpg witness the power of the 20 year
    old slr lol. I did that by waving around an LED flashlight, you guessed it,
    for at least 30 seconds.
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 5, 2008
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  18. Nick

    Dirty Harry Guest

    Well thanks :)
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 6, 2008
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    Is that with the 17-85? I hate to say it but some copies can be really bad,
    I had a copy and I also borrowed a copy once and I'll probably never use it
    again. The 28-135 IS isn't as bad. With your flower shots are you stopping
    it down at all? I'd love to get my hands on some of those macro lenses, the
    wishlist is so long though lol.
    I good trick is to turn the brightness to max when outdoors but don't forget
    to turn it back down when you get inside or it could throw you off...the
    best way to judge is to have the picture display along with the histogram.
    If you can read what the histogram is telling you then you'll know if
    anything is drastically wrong.
    Nice pictures and happy shooting.
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 6, 2008
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  20. Nick

    Dirty Harry Guest

    And thanks for that, I was seriously laughing my ass off!
     
    Dirty Harry, Sep 6, 2008
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