Canon Digital Rebel XT, RAW files, and Photoshop

Discussion in 'Canon' started by G.T., May 20, 2005.

  1. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Ok, I'm getting a headache trying to figure out the most streamlined
    workflow with the current Adobe products that I have. I much prefer using
    Adobe's Camera Raw Plug-in over Digital Photo Professional because of the
    integrated workflow and more user friendly interface. I've been using
    Elements 3.0 but a little while ago I received Photoshop CS as a birthday
    gift and have been using that as my primary editing app.

    From what I understand given my camera model and Photoshop versions this
    what I can do (with the first being my current workflow):

    1. RAW -> DPP -> TIFF -> Photoshop CS -> PSD or JPG
    2. RAW -> Elements 3.0 with Camera Raw 3.1 -> PSD or JPG
    3. RAW -> DNG converter -> DNG -> Elements 3.0 with Camera Raw 3.1 -> PSD or

    I can't do the following, right?:

    RAW -> DNG converter -> DNG -> Photoshop CS -> PSD or JPG

    I guess I can go back to using Elements 3.0 and option 2 above but Elements
    crashes about 20 times more often than CS on my Mac (10 times a day for
    Elements rather than 1 every 2 days for CS), that's a big reason I asked for
    CS in the first place. And then I could use CS for features not included
    with Elements when I need them.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    You should be able to, yes.
    Jeremy Nixon, May 20, 2005
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  3. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Thanks, that got me to re-read Adobe's site. It looks like I can use DNG
    Version 3.1 to convert Rebel XT RAW files to DNG, and then the Camera Raw
    Plugin from CS to read them.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
  4. Is that similar to the 350D? I have personally used the 3.1 DNG
    Converter to convert 350D CR2 files and D2X NEF files into DNG, then
    process those in ACR 2.4 (Camera Raw plug-in) under CS.

    (I did this as an experiment, so I can't comment on the image quality
    compared with using the cameras' own software).
    Barry Pearson, May 20, 2005
  5. G.T.

    McLeod Guest

    Yes, you can do that. But as long as you have the right plug-in you
    should also be able to go:

    RAW->Photoshop CS->whatever you want to save it as.

    This is my workflow right now with both .NEF files and .RAF files from
    my Nikon and Fuji cameras. I am looking forward to CS2 and it's
    ability to batch process raw files.
    McLeod, May 20, 2005
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    Gizmo Guest

    Canon Rebel XT is the US name for the Canon 350D

    Canon Rebel = Canon 300D

    Gawd knows why they didnt use the same name Worldwide :eek:/
    Gizmo, May 20, 2005
  7. [snip]

    Photoshop CS uses ACR 2.x, not 3.x. And ACR 2.x doesn't support the
    350D (Rebel XT). And there won't be an ACR 2.5.

    That is why the only way to stay with CS & ACR 2.x is to convert the
    350D Raw files to DNG first. But ... I've tried the route, and it
    works, (and it works for the D2X as well). (The DNG versions for the
    350D are about 6% or 7% smaller than the CR2 files, presumably because
    of better lossless compression).
    Barry Pearson, May 20, 2005
  8. The Nissan Maxima and Nissan Bluebird say "hi." <G>
    Steve Cutchen, May 20, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Import from camera or card into PS from RAW. Optionally create a DNG
    version for archive. (though, for me, the camera RAW is a good archive

    Save work files as psd or TIFF.
    Yeah, Mac sucks.
    Alan Browne, May 20, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    Yes, it's the Digital Rebel XT in the USA, the 350D Digital or Digital Kiss
    N elsewhere.
    Cool, thanks for the info.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    Nope, not possible with the Rebel XT and later, and CS. It's got to be
    Elements 3.0 or CS 2; or convert to a format supported by CS 2.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    Ha, I drove a Bluebird in NZ.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    As mentioned in other responses CS only supports ACR 2.4, ACR 2.4 doesn't
    support the Rebel XT. So it depends on which version of PS you're talking
    about. My currently available Photoshops are Elements 3.0 and CS. I would
    prefer to use CS and will not upgrade to CS 2 just to get better workflow.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
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    John Francis Guest

    Except that there is no Adobe plugin for CS that can read XT Raw files,
    and there will not be one - for that, yo need to upgrade to CS2.
    John Francis, May 20, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Indeed? Adobe support sucks. Glad I have Elements 3.0, cheaper and it
    does read all the current cameras.

    So the OP can do the same: CameraRAW -+-> E3 -> PSD -> CS.
    +-> backup/archive (RAW).

    Sucks as a flow. Can also pass through DNG. But that just adds to the
    overall number of steps.

    Alan Browne, May 20, 2005
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    John Francis Guest

    You can use DNG in the same number of steps:

    CameraRaw -> DNG Converter 3.x -> DNG -> CS

    This is the workaround workflow that Adobe recommend for CS owners,
    which also lets you get at the full power of the Adobe Camera Raw
    software, rather than the limited functionality accessible in E3.

    (Mind you, I agree that it's a rather poor support decision not
    to upgrade the plugin for a product as recent as Photoshop CS)
    John Francis, May 20, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    It's part of the evil plot to promote DNG.
    Alan Browne, May 20, 2005
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    G.T. Guest

    And to force upgrades to CS 2.

    G.T., May 20, 2005
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    My God, you're right! Instead of forcing us to pay for the CS2 upgrade,
    they give us a free program we can use instead, thus furthering their evil
    corporate goal of ... um... oh.

    Actually, it does a good job of pointing out that if the camera makers
    would generate DNG in the first place, we wouldn't have to worry about
    software updates like this at all.
    Jeremy Nixon, May 20, 2005
  20. Chuckle!

    (Actually, their "evil corporate goal" is probably "to accelerate the
    use of Raw photography worldwide". I see NO other goal that is
    compatible with what Adobe are doing with DNG).
    Bravo! Who is part of the problem? Who is part of the solution?

    And can we conclude from this that Adobe's business plan doesn't
    include forcing people to upgrade simply because their cameras are not
    supported by old versions of Camera Raw?
    Barry Pearson, May 20, 2005
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