Canon DLSR operating temperature range: HUH?!?

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Jim Hutchison, Mar 16, 2005.

  1. Anyone have experience using any of Canon's DSLRs (10D, 20D, Rebel,
    Mark II...) below 32 degrees F? Their specs say not to... sounds
    quite restrictive to me, being a Canadian and all...

    Someone I know used a 10D outside in 30 degree weather, and their
    sensor developed a vertical crack that was only after 10 minutes.
    Canon replaced it, which was cool, but I'm quite amazed by this
    temperature restriction.
     
    Jim Hutchison, Mar 16, 2005
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  2. Jim Hutchison

    Paul Bielec Guest

    So far, I haven't brought my Digital Rebel while cross-country skiing,
    only my P&S A60. It didn't have any problems.
    I used my Digital Rebel at -20 C but only for short periods of time,
    maybe up to 30-45 minutes outside of the car. No problem.
    In fact, my SI vivid shot was taken at -20 C.
     
    Paul Bielec, Mar 16, 2005
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  3. Why are you amazed? Having had some experience, not too long ago, trying to
    demonstrate successful operation of military grade electronic equipment
    starting up after being long time cold soaked at -20degC and below, I'm
    amazed at how good modern stuff is. (It's a lot easier if you can keep some
    current flowing.)
     
    Malcolm Stewart, Mar 16, 2005
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  4. Jim Hutchison

    Alan Browne Guest

    I've used the Max 7D outside at -7°C for periods of about 20 - 30
    minutes. No prob. The manual has a 0°C restriction too.

    Sensor cracked? I'd expext problems with the LCD display being sluggish
    or not working, but I can't imagine the sensor cracking.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 16, 2005
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  5. Jim Hutchison

    [BnH] Guest

    Being a Canadian .. I thought you should know more about 0 C ?
    I remember my boss told me when he was studying there, tapping hard a person
    back is NOT a recommended gesture to do unless you want him / her dead :p
    o well ..

    Anyway all modern item has an operating temperature restriction ...
    regardless.
    I remember a customer of mine that plans to bring an FM2 to Tibet as his
    brand new Sony F828 will be useless there.
    Also I still remember my Fuji S1 Pro mirror frozen when opened because of
    the cold breeze of Sydney harbour during winter that froze my CR-123 Li Ion
    battery.

    Re. the crack .. I believe its due to sudden change in temperature ... you
    know that after you finish shooting ..
    you SHOULD not run straight in to your cabin with your [digital] camera
    right ?
    some ppl say you must blanket your camera outside ... bring it in .. let it
    settle for a while .. THEN open it.
    If not some parts broken due to shrink and expanding of parts ... you will
    also get fog that is a fungus bredding ground :)

    =bob=
     
    [BnH], Mar 17, 2005
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  6. Maniacal laughter.

    Uh......

    Leicas will operate in any temperature you can take them into....

    -30°C to 60°C
     
    uraniumcommittee, Mar 17, 2005
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  7. Jim Hutchison

    Mark Guest

    Anyone have experience using any of Canon's DSLRs (10D, 20D, Rebel,
    A good idea is also to be careful moving it from cold to warm temps. My
    Sony F717 developed condesation inside it's lens going from 78F to 95F (I
    live in Sunny Florida). I imagine that going the other way would also have
    risks. For the electronic bits, I doubt cold is a problem - at least less
    than it is for the mechanical bits which might get brittle in very cold
    environs.

    However, rapid temperature changes can have interesting effects on disimilar
    materials that are bonded (by screws for example). The problem being that
    they might expand and contract at different rates which is likely to expose
    them to undesirable mechanical stresses. And circuit board traces have been
    known to crack/seperate under extreme temp changes over time.

    How to manage the duration of temperature changes on a camera? Beats the
    heck out of me and I'd love to see suggestions. :)

    Maybe a camera case would help insulate your kit - I wonder if they have
    heated cases?

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    Mark, Mar 17, 2005
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  8. Jim Hutchison

    Mark Guest

    Leicas will operate in any temperature you can take them into....

    -30°C to 60°C
    <<

    What about -31C? <g>


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    snaps.
     
    Mark, Mar 17, 2005
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  9. Jim Hutchison

    [BnH] Guest

    Does that include the Digilux 2 ? :D

    =bob=



    Maniacal laughter.

    Uh......

    Leicas will operate in any temperature you can take them into....

    -30°C to 60°C
     
    [BnH], Mar 17, 2005
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  10. Jim Hutchison

    Alan Browne Guest

    I keep a couple garbage bags in my camera bag. Before coming in, the
    whole bag goes in the garbage bag. A couple hours is enough to
    stabilize it (It's slow as the cam bag is insulated by its foam).

    I doubt that coming into a a 20°C house from -20°C OAT is enough thermal
    shock to break anything. The camera body acts as a buffer to slow the
    warming process.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 17, 2005
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  11. Jim Hutchison

    Paul Bielec Guest

    It was -35 C where I was in January...
     
    Paul Bielec, Mar 17, 2005
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  12. Probably will work just fine. They're designed to work without problems
    from -30°C to 60°C.
     
    uraniumcommittee, Mar 17, 2005
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  13. Jim Hutchison

    ian lincoln Guest

    i beleive the lithium ion battery is the most susceptible component.
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 17, 2005
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  14. Jim Hutchison

    ian lincoln Guest


    Probably will work just fine. They're designed to work without problems
    from -30°C to 60°C.

    you'll never get me outside in those temperatures. In fact you won't find
    me on the same continent as those temperatures.
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 17, 2005
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  15. Jim Hutchison

    ian lincoln Guest

    use a cold freezer bag. one of those carbon fueled handwarmers. Not that
    warm but should keep the bag above freezing.
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 17, 2005
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  16. Sometimes cameras have to be used in environments that aren't even on the
    surface of the Earth....That's why the astronauts took a Haasy into orbit
    (and dropped it) during one of their earlier orbiting missions.....
     
    William Graham, Mar 17, 2005
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  17. Jim Hutchison

    ian lincoln Guest

    The lunar landings had plate cameras. I forget what mods were done for
    vacuum and extreme temperatures.
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 17, 2005
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  18. Jim Hutchison

    ian lincoln Guest

    keep the battery in an inside pocket until you are ready to use the camera.
    Have more than one and keep rotating them.
     
    ian lincoln, Mar 17, 2005
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  19. Jim Hutchison

    Alan Browne Guest

    They had modified 'blads AFAIK. I don't recall mention of a plate/view
    camera.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 17, 2005
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  20. And a Leicaflex!
     
    uraniumcommittee, Mar 17, 2005
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