Canon Elan 7e vs Pentax *ist; Choices

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by Robert Meyers, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. Hello all,

    I am interested in a new and first SLR camera. I wanted something that does
    film and is quicker to use in complicated situations than my digital...
    which means just about any SLR will do. I am near a Fry's Electronics which
    is clearencing the Canon Elan 7e with 28-90mm lens kit for $399. Really
    checp in other words. So, here is my question:

    In general, would you purchacse a Pentax *ist or the Canon Elan 7e for
    general photography and for product advertisments (of products from 2" to
    14" by 1/2" to 3" in size) type photography. I have not been able to find
    an *ist to check out... no one seems to carry it. I live in San Diego.

    Thanks all!

    Robert Meyers
     
    Robert Meyers, Oct 2, 2003
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    The *ist is not yet on the market. While I'm sure it's a good camera, I know
    the Elan 7 is a Great camera - my wife has one and I am envious. It is the
    best consumer priced camera I have ever used.

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    Tony Spadaro, Oct 2, 2003
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    Dallas Guest

    Robert, getting into your first SLR is a fairly lengthy learning curve.
    The Elan 7e is probably more camera than you need, but at that price it's
    a bargain.

    I can't say much about the Pentax *ist, but having had two Canon DSLR's I
    can say that they shorten the learning curve considerably. You learn much
    faster and your initial investment is quickly recouped in film and
    processing savings. This is especially so in the product photography field
    where working with studio lighting and hand metered exposures is par for
    the course.
     
    Dallas, Oct 2, 2003
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    In San Diego, try Nelson's Photo on India Street in Little Italy area, or North
    County Camera in Escondido. YOu can also try George's Camera near 30th and
    University, though the prices are a bit variable, and not often the best deal.

    A friend of mine has the 7e, and that kit lens is not that great a choice. Try
    to step up a little in the lens choice to the next zoom, or add the 50 mm to
    the kit. You can find rental lenses for the Canon EOS autofocus system through
    Camera Exposure on Adams Avenue, George's Camera, and North County Camera. I
    know of no Pentax rental gear for 35 mm.

    Product photography is better done with a view camera (large format). However,
    you can do a good job with careful lighting, product placement, and a shift
    lens. Canon offer a shift lens, as do Nikon, and these can sometimes be found
    as rental lenses. While lacking the full movement of a true view camera, the
    results can be better than just using a straight lens.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Oct 2, 2003
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  5. To elaborate on Gordon's post, North County Camera up in Escondido will go a
    long way toward matching prices from the likes of B&H.
    I am not familiar enough with the Pentax line to comment on the *ist, which
    is not on the market as yet. With the Canon, I'd spend a little extra and
    get the 28-105 f3.5-4.5 in stead of the kit 28-90 lens. It is noticeably
    sharper. Also, I'd deal with a real camera store, if you have questions,
    you're more likely to get a good answer from NCC or Nelson's rather than
    Fry's. BTW, which one did you see that at, San Marcos or Murphy Canyon?
     
    Skip Middleton, Oct 2, 2003
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    Bob Sull Guest

    I think that if I saw a Canon Elan 7e at $400 with a lens, I would jump
    on it even thought the lens you mention is not exactly one of Canon's best.

    The *ist, from what I've been reading about it, is closer to one of the
    Canon Rebel seies SLRs. If you get the Elan, it should serve you well
    for quite a few years. The *ist is too new to comment on further.

    Bob
     
    Bob Sull, Oct 2, 2003
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  7. Thank you all for your help!

    After the recomendations started coming in I went to North County
    Camera, and found that their wholesale cost was sixty dollars higher
    than that of the clearence price at Fry's. I was told, if they were
    me, they would jump on the Elan 7e. I did.

    I did however buy the BP-300, and the accessory kit there (UV filter
    and the like).

    First thoughts:

    1. This thing is scary fast. My friend accidentally took two double
    shots. This I can see is very useful for my fun / hobby uses (spend
    lots of time at Sea World and Animal Park).

    2. Kinda big.

    3. Easy to handle.

    4. Eye control actually works (shocked).

    5. Eye relief a lot of places warn about is good enough for me with
    glasses. Can see all in it (including display bar).

    6. Need to learn to shot photos now:)

    The camera was bought at Fry's in San Marcos, they had like 5 left.

    Robert Meyers
     
    Robert Meyers, Oct 3, 2003
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  8. I seriously considered it. However, in the end I found that it was not
    going to be acceptable in the long run. I pretty much have to learn to do
    this myself.

    However, I had wanted to learn this for quite a while. And so, decided to
    just go and buy some books and ask some questions... and learn.
     
    Robert Meyers, Oct 3, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Michael Scarpitti wrote:


    Oh, is that how *you* do it Michael?
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 3, 2003
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    Timo Labrenz Guest

    Actually the *ist is on the market, launch was some time ago. The *istD
    came later, but should be available in some places, too.

    I just had to make the same decision - Pentax *ist or EOS 30/7e. I
    decided to go for the Canon as the price was unbeatable and there was a
    nice lens coming with it. BTW, don't take the 28-90 4.0-5.6 or the 28-
    105 4.0-5.6. Okay, the first mentioned comes with the camera here.
    Maybe you can try to get the 28-105 3,5-4,5 USM or the 28-135 USM IS
    instead. They are way better and really worth the money.

    Robert has already made some comments that get my full ACK. I want to
    add that the viewfinder shows only about 90% of what's gonna be on the
    negative. Only few cameras have a 100% viewfinder, but I think that 90%
    really isn't much and takes quite a lot of getting used to.

    Timo
     
    Timo Labrenz, Oct 4, 2003
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    Bandicoot Guest

    [SNIP]
    While the *ist is nicer to hold, if you really need a shift lens then be
    aware that the *ist won't meter properly with the Pentax shift lens. Not
    that that would matter for products as you would surely be using a hand-held
    flash meter, but it would matter for other uses.



    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Oct 5, 2003
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Not sure about where you live, but I have never seen a 35 mm Pentax shift lens
    available for rental. With the Nikon and Canon, at least it is possible to
    rent, rather than need to purchase.

    I have a Nikon shift lens. It became a permanent part of my gear when I had
    lots of use for it doing interior architecture images. Now that I do those less
    often, I still find it to be a nice lens, though slow to use.
    Very true, though it is something the original poster did not mention. I am
    under the impression that the OP wanted to save money by doing product shots
    himself. While I can understand the desire to save money, his choices involves
    some difficulties in success, and it seems that he is not placing a financial
    value on his own time. Product photography is a speciality, though he may get
    lucky and find the images he wants from his experiments.
    Photography . . . it is not Rocket Science, but it is not all simple.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    Alliance Graphique Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com>
     
    Gordon Moat, Oct 6, 2003
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  13. Robert Meyers

    Bandicoot Guest

    Me neither, though I have my own one. I don't live anywhere near a
    convenient rental place anyway, so it is less an issue for me - I might rent
    some extra flash heads once in a while, but for anything I use either more
    often, or at more unpredictable schedules, I pretty much need to have my
    own.

    [SNIP]
    True.


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Oct 8, 2003
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