Canon Elan 7NE or Minolta Maxxum 7

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Swirl The World, Nov 2, 2004.

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    Alan Browne Guest

    Yawn. Get some real glass!

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 11, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    You're the one who asked.
     
    Skip M, Nov 11, 2004
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    Magnus W Guest

    Well, that was just mean -- sounds like a good setup to me.
     
    Magnus W, Nov 12, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    know, on the one hand, he criticizes for not having the glass recommended,
    than seems to criticize me for not have a lot of unspecified "better"
    lenses.
    Maybe Alan was just in a bad mood...
     
    Skip M, Nov 12, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I'm alowed to be mean. And yes it's a decent setup.

    But, take the 28-135 IS. It starts wide already a half stop slower than my
    28-70 f/2.8, and it ends long two stops slower than my 80-200... so the benefit
    of the IS in terms of handholding is not that incredibly great.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 12, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Always. Well, not always.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 12, 2004
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    Sander Vesik Guest

    That tends to be the general trouble with the IS/VR/whatever "standard
    zoom" lens - they only really seem to make sense if you would not have
    bought a faster lens. Worse - their quality presently loses out to 3rd
    party "pro" lens.

    So while good in theory I'd say they need a generation or two of
    improvement before they really are worth it.
     
    Sander Vesik, Nov 12, 2004
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    Bruce Graham Guest

    Handholding your lot all the time you are travelling is no fun though.
     
    Bruce Graham, Nov 13, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    But the joy of it is that it was around $500, rather than over $1000. And I
    regularly get 3 stops advantage from the IS, so as long as my subjects have
    the courtesy to remain still, that gives me a 2 stop advantage over the
    28-70.
    And, yesterday, we were shooting an engagement portrait on a headland
    buffeted by a good 20 knot breeze, and the IS was a help on a tripod, too.
     
    Skip M, Nov 13, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    Sorry my friend, but the image quality from my 28-135 IS is superior to my
    28-70 f2.6-2.8 ATX Pro Tokina, not by much, but the difference is there.
     
    Skip M, Nov 13, 2004
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  11. (Skip M) wrote:
    I regularly get 3 stops advantage from the IS, so as long as my subjects
    have the courtesy to remain still, that gives me a 2 stop advantage over
    the 28-70.
    ============================

    Does the IS on your 28-135 give you any hand holding advantage over
    your 100 f2?




    Cody,

    http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks
     
    AnOvercomer02, Nov 13, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    (Skip M) wrote:
    I regularly get 3 stops advantage from the IS, so as long as my subjects
    have the courtesy to remain still, that gives me a 2 stop advantage over
    the 28-70.
    ============================

    Does the IS on your 28-135 give you any hand holding advantage over
    your 100 f2?




    Cody,

    http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks

    Not really, since at 100mm, the IS lens is at f5.6, IIRC. So, even at 3
    stops advantage, that only brings me to...f2. The IS lens' biggest
    advantage is that it's also a 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, etc.
     
    Skip M, Nov 13, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Actually, in retrospect, my comment was a bit hasty. Who the hell says you even
    want to shoot wide open... IS also gives you the advantage of choking the
    aperture for better DOF as well at slower shutter speeds.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 13, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Skip M wrote:

    but can't hold a candle to an OEM 28-70 f/2.8 or 70|80-200 f/2.8...
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 13, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest


    It should, especially when shooting smaller apertures.
     
    Alan Browne, Nov 13, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    No, you're right, but, again, there's that $700 difference in price. That
    alone paid for another couple of lenses, or my lighting. Or a short
    vacation to mollify my darling wife about the purchases. Those things,
    especially the latter, need to be considered as ligit photo expenses... <G>
    I was mainly replying to Sander's contention that the IS/VR lenses lose out
    to 3rd party pro lenses, which they clearly don't.

    --
    Skip Middleton
    http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
     
    Skip M, Nov 13, 2004
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    Skip M Guest

    That's true, it was too early in the morning to think of that...
     
    Skip M, Nov 13, 2004
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    Magnus W Guest

    [snip]

    Lol -- sounds like me ;-)

    By the way, I've got the 7D since afternoon 12/11. Anything you want to
    know, even though it's off-topic? ;-)
     
    Magnus W, Nov 14, 2004
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    Magnus W Guest

    Isn't that the Angenieux-derived design? I have heard nothing but good
    about that lens, while the 28-135 IS is considered to be pretty mediocre,
    so it sounds like it may be a bad 28-70 sample... or maybe a good 28-135...
    sure it ain't a Minolta? ;-)
     
    Magnus W, Nov 14, 2004
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    Magnus W Guest

    Successful shot this morning: 300/2.8 + 2x TC for a 900mm equiv, at 1/125.

    AS obviously works. Wouldn't give me sharp shots with the 300 at 1/20 today
    though. Will try again when I get the vertical grip...
     
    Magnus W, Nov 14, 2004
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