Canon EOS-D400 and non-Canon flash?

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Rudy Lacchin, Apr 5, 2007.

  1. Rudy Lacchin

    Rudy Lacchin Guest

    I've just bought an EOS-400D. The manual says you can use non-Canon
    flashguns with it but I can't work it out!

    The gun (a Starblitz) fires correctly on another camera's hot-shoe. I've
    been throught all the menus and options on the EOS and there doesn't seem to
    be anything to set and I've tried all the shooting modes. It seems to
    recognise that there's a external gun attached because it refuses to flip
    open the built-in flash.

    Anyone here use an EOS with an external, non-Speedlite? What am I doing
    wrong?!

    TIA,
    R.
     
    Rudy Lacchin, Apr 5, 2007
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  2. Rudy Lacchin

    King Sardon Guest

    What is the flash not doing? Is it not firing? Or is it firing but not
    exposing an image??

    Maybe the Starblitz is firing on the Rebel pre-flash. The shutter is
    still closed then. The Wein safe-sync might be able to help with that.
    http://www.weinproducts.com/safesyncs.htm

    KS
     
    King Sardon, Apr 5, 2007
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  3. I hope that is a low trigger voltage modern flash. I believe that
    flashes with high trigger voltages can damage the flash circuits in the
    camera.
     
    Joseph Meehan, Apr 6, 2007
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  4. Rudy Lacchin

    Bob Guest

    Found this:
    "...The camera will most likely work with non-Canon flashes, though
    you'll have to use both the camera and flash in their manual modes.
    The fastest flash sync speed on this camera is 1/200 sec..."

    http://www.tokina.com.hk/spe-3.htm

    Not a dedicated unit for another camera brand?
     
    Bob, Apr 6, 2007
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  5. Rudy Lacchin

    OldBoy Guest

    All you need to know:
    http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/

    OldBoy
     
    OldBoy, Apr 6, 2007
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  6. Rudy Lacchin

    Rudy Lacchin Guest

    Thanks for your replies. The problem is, it's not firing at all on the EOS.
    It fires okay on other SLRs. It's not a dedicated unit for another camera.

    I've read the comment in the manual about using both camera and flash in
    manual mode at 1/200 sec, but my Starblitz obviously hasn't read the manual!

    Thanks again for your suggestions but unfortunately, as I've already warned
    my Financial Advisor, it looks as though I will need to buy a Speedlite.
    *:)

    R.
     
    Rudy Lacchin, Apr 6, 2007
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  7. Anyone here use an EOS with an external, non-Speedlite? What am I doing
    I use a Sunpak with the Canon 30D. Work great.

    -Joel
     
    Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, Apr 6, 2007
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  8. Rudy Lacchin

    Bill Funk Guest

    There are other choices, for that camera.
    Sigma makes the EF 500 DG Super that will work very well with the
    400D, and it sells for $239 at B&H.
    BTW, I use this flash with my 30D.

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    Bill Funk, Apr 6, 2007
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  9. Rudy Lacchin

    Skip Guest

    Are the SLRs it fires on digital or film? Canon or otherwise? Non ETTL
    enabled flashes will not fire on Canon Digital SLRs, as far as I know.
     
    Skip, Apr 6, 2007
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  10. Rudy Lacchin

    Rudy Lacchin Guest

    Thanks again for your knowledgeable remarks. I now have some thinking to
    do...

    Regards,
    R.
     
    Rudy Lacchin, Apr 6, 2007
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  11. Rudy Lacchin

    Skip Guest

    That doesn't mean that you have to buy a Canon Speedlite. Sigma, Sunpak and
    Metz make flashes that will function properly on your camera. Metz,
    particularly, is considered by some to be superior to Canon's own flash
    units.
     
    Skip, Apr 7, 2007
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  12. Rudy Lacchin

    Skinner1 Guest

    I DO hope she is understanding! :)
     
    Skinner1, Apr 7, 2007
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  13. I haven't tried a Starblitz, but all non-dedicated flashes I've
    tried do indeed work on a 400D.

    One thing to try is to put insulating tape over the "extra" pins for
    E-TTL control, leaving only the center pin and edge of the hotshoe
    unexposed.

    See also:
    http://hannemyr.com/photo/flash.html
     
    Gisle Hannemyr, Apr 7, 2007
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  14. Rudy Lacchin

    Skip Guest

    I just tried my old 540EZ and my daughter's Rebel Xt, and it does not fire.
    It is a Canon dedicated flash, just not for the ETTL enabled cameras.
     
    Skip, Apr 8, 2007
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    OldBoy Guest

    From http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/#faq4
    "Canon digital cameras can only use Canon Speedlite flash models with names
    ending in EX. If your Canon flash unit has a model name which ends with E or
    EZ or anything else then it will not work with any Canon digital EOS
    camera."

    OldBoy
     
    OldBoy, Apr 8, 2007
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  16. Did you put insulating tape over the "extra" pins in the hotshoe for
    E-TTL control, and set the flash to operate in manual mode?
     
    Gisle Hannemyr, Apr 8, 2007
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  17. Rudy Lacchin

    Skip Guest

    No and yes.
     
    Skip, Apr 8, 2007
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  18. Rudy Lacchin

    Robert Coe Guest

    : : > I just tried my old 540EZ and my daughter's Rebel Xt, and it does not
    : > fire. It is a Canon dedicated flash, just not for the ETTL enabled
    : > cameras.
    :
    : From http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/#faq4
    : "Canon digital cameras can only use Canon Speedlite flash models with names
    : ending in EX. If your Canon flash unit has a model name which ends with E or
    : EZ or anything else then it will not work with any Canon digital EOS
    : camera."

    Well, here's what the 400D manual itself says on the subject:

    "Canon Speedlites other than the EX-series
    The flash cannot be fired with an EZ/E/EG/ML/TL-series Speedlite set in the
    TTL or A-TTL autoflash mode. Use the Speedlite's manual flash mode instead if
    provided."

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Apr 8, 2007
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    oz Guest

    Rudy Lacchin wrote:

    -8<-
    I own an EOS400d and have a non canon speedlite alike flash (luxon
    powerzoom 360AFC). That one used to work flawlessly on my canon eos-IX slr.

    It seemed logical to me it would work the same way on my EOS 400D. I did
    revert to manual mode on the flash to get some use out of it, since I
    had problems with it as well. It did fire, but that was about it.

    My EOS 400D came with firmware 1.0.4. This morning I have downloaded
    firmware version 1.0.5. Things that were fixed in the firmware:

    This firmware update (Version 1.0.5) incorporates the following fixes
    and improvement.:

    1. Fixes the printing of lens names when using PictBridge.
    2. [Redeye 1] can now be selected when connecting with specific printers.
    3. Improves the reliability of communication with the Speedlite 380EX.

    After the update I hooked up my flash, and it does work like normal again.

    So I would suggest checking what firmware your EOS-400D runs, and if it
    does not run 1.0.5 update yours.

    Here's the link for the download and the steps to take:

    http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3/e4kr3_firmware-e.html

    Hope this helps.

    Oz
     
    oz, Apr 30, 2007
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  20. Rudy Lacchin

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Rudy Lacchin wrote:
    :
    : -8<-
    :
    : > Anyone here use an EOS with an external, non-Speedlite? What am I doing
    : > wrong?!
    : >
    : I own an EOS400d and have a non canon speedlite alike flash (luxon
    : powerzoom 360AFC). That one used to work flawlessly on my canon eos-IX slr.
    :
    : It seemed logical to me it would work the same way on my EOS 400D. I did
    : revert to manual mode on the flash to get some use out of it, since I
    : had problems with it as well. It did fire, but that was about it.
    :
    : My EOS 400D came with firmware 1.0.4. This morning I have downloaded
    : firmware version 1.0.5. Things that were fixed in the firmware:
    :
    : This firmware update (Version 1.0.5) incorporates the following fixes
    : and improvement.:
    :
    : 1. Fixes the printing of lens names when using PictBridge.
    : 2. [Redeye 1] can now be selected when connecting with specific printers.
    : 3. Improves the reliability of communication with the Speedlite 380EX.
    :
    : After the update I hooked up my flash, and it does work like normal again.
    :
    : So I would suggest checking what firmware your EOS-400D runs, and if it
    : does not run 1.0.5 update yours.
    :
    : Here's the link for the download and the steps to take:
    :
    : http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3/e4kr3_firmware-e.html
    :
    : Hope this helps.
    :
    : Oz

    I wonder if "improvement" no. 3 applies also to the 580EX. What I do know is
    that I've been unhappy with the performance of the 580EX I bought for my XTi.
    Sometimes I get excellent results, but frequently the combination underexposes
    by a stop or two. And once in a while I'll get a truly bizarre overexposure
    that results in a totally unrecoverable picture. I guess I'll just do the
    upgrade and hope for the best.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 11, 2007
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