Canon finally dumps HORRIBLE Rebel body!

Discussion in 'Canon' started by RichA, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. RichA

    TH O Guest

    TH O, Jan 25, 2008
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : >> > > I can't believe you buy a camera based on its cuteness.
    : >> >
    : >> > I agree.
    : >>
    : >> Would you also say, "I can't believe you like a picture based on its
    : >> cuteness"?
    : >> Cuteness has a lot to do with it.
    : >> What would life be like without cuteness?
    : >
    : >Absolutely. In cameras, girls, cars, computers and in fact just about
    : >anything smaller than an airliner, cuteness is important.
    : Actually you've almost got it right. But, I had the
    : opportunity to hear learn this bit of philosophy from a
    : *real* expert. As they say, only from the mouths of
    : children... (do we get this sort of pure clarity in
    : though!).
    : Last August, a month before his 6th birthday, I was
    : giving my neighbor, young Benjamin Kim, a haircut. He
    : was very insistant on sitting in front a mirror where he
    : could see _exactly_ what was happening, and when he
    : noticed that I didn't fully comprehend the significance,
    : he graced me with his wisdom:
    : "Hair doesn't count; *ugly* counts!"
    : He's not wrong.
    : Now, rethink the above discussion in terms of "ugly"
    : rather than "cuteness"! It *is* valid.
    : >I bought my very first Nikon because it was cute, and I've been buying
    : >Nikons ever since. (More recent ones have been gorgeous rather than cute,
    : >but if not for the cuteness of that first one I might never have become a
    : >Nikonian.)
    : Actually Nikon goes to a bit of an extreme to make sure that nobody would
    : call their cameras "ugly". The bodies, since about 1980, are in fact
    : designed by Giorgetto Guigiaro, from Italy, who also has designed Niccki
    : sewing machines, Seiko watches, and more cars than anyone.

    I actually *look* at my Seiko watch. (And yes, it's attractive, easy to read,
    and extremely accurate.) But I stand *behind* my XTi and peer through the
    viewfinder. So I guess I don't really know (or care) how it looks to the

    That said, it was 1954, and I was the proud owner of an Argus C-3 (a 16th
    birthday present) when a photographer from the Tokyo bureau of Time/Life
    stopped by our town in Mississippi to try to scare up a story. Two incredibly
    beautiful cameras hung around his neck; the brand name engraved thereon was
    "Nikon". I'd never heard of a Nikon, but I decided within 15 minutes that I
    *had* to have one. I wasn't able to afford my first Nikon (an S-2) until I was
    a junior in college, but I eventually owned an SP and an F-2 (each with an
    appropriate complement of lenses). After I got married, I bought my wife a
    Nikkormat. And it was her memory of how much she liked that camera that
    finally got me to abandon P&S digitals and get us each an XTi.

    Bob (ex-Nikonian)
    Robert Coe, Jan 25, 2008
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article
    : <>,
    : > Yes, a couple people I know refused to buy the Sony A700 because they
    : > thought it was ugly. Personally, it's secondary to me, but then you
    : > DO have to look at a camera each time you use it.
    : I wouldn't buy it because it was a Sony.

    Good for you!! Sony's underhanded installation of spyware in their customers'
    computers makes them unworthy of the patronage of civilized people.

    Robert Coe, Jan 25, 2008
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    dwight Guest

    Those Casio Exilims are cute as hell.

    What about the so-ugly-it's-cute theory, as evidenced by troll dolls
    (speaking of trolls), VW Things, or, dare I say, the current PT Cruiser, or
    Danny DeVito?

    dwight, Jan 26, 2008
    Joseph Meehan, Jan 26, 2008
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    Mr. Strat Guest

    Well, they make crappy products too.
    Mr. Strat, Jan 26, 2008
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    RichA Guest

    True, I've actually heard 3 people remark how "too small" the Rebel
    grip was for them, before moving on to a D80 or 20 or 30D.
    No camera fits all, but the Rebel grip, most notably because of the
    distance between the inner part of the grip and the lens mount was
    just too small for many grown men's hands.
    RichA, Jan 26, 2008
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    RichA Guest

    I don't know much about the Sony offerings, I thought the A100 body
    was cheap-looking, except that the A100 had the highest resolution
    (and highest noise) of the 10 meg cameras. What is wrong with the
    RichA, Jan 26, 2008
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    RichA Guest

    Which brings up an intriguing question: When did people become too
    lazy to handle cameras with REAL bodies? I don't remember people
    whining about toting a (for e.g.) hefty Pentax Spotmatic or Nikkormat
    if that is what they needed to get a shot.
    RichA, Jan 26, 2008
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    Allowa Guest

    "The poetry of photography will always be more important than mechanics of
    the camera... you see the picture is taken with the eye,the heart.The most
    sophisticated camera in the world can never replace this." Jacques-Henri
    It will never end the 'upgrades' but the photos won't get much better if you
    don't know what you're doing- Me
    Allowa, Jan 26, 2008
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    m II Guest

    Fashion? Preposterous!

    It's only by the purest of coincidences that I keep my Leicas in neat,
    alternate rows to the Guccis and Faberge Eggs...

    m II, Jan 26, 2008
  12. Do civilised people patronise Micros**t? :)
    Chris Malcolm, Jan 26, 2008
  13. Yet plenty of grown men use compact P&S cameras all the time.
    Do us a favour Rich and credit others here with just a modicum of
    common sense.

    Dr Hfuhruhurr, Jan 26, 2008
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    RichA Guest

    You can use any camera you want, it doesn't make it very usable, one
    way or another, you simply put up with it because it is what it is.
    You opt for something pocketable because of that feature, not how well
    it functions when you actually have to use it to take pictures. But,
    when you decide to choose a DSLR because you want its versatility and
    quality, you might as well choose one that has a body that allows you
    to work well with it. Canon did the right thing with the 20D,30D and
    now the 40D. They keep a reasonable body size so the cameras could be
    used properly, so the body didn't become a consideration over the
    thing's ability to take pictures.
    RichA, Jan 26, 2008
  15. Whats all this YOU business. I have a P&S which is VERY usable. being
    a 'reasonable size' isn't the be all and end all of usability. Do you
    infer from that 'grown men' find an iPod unusable? Despite what your
    girlfriend may told you Rich size isn't everything. and as far as the
    Rebel being HORRIBLE I suspect that's as much to do with your aversion
    to plastic than anything else.
    Dr Hfuhruhurr, Jan 26, 2008
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    TH O Guest

    iPods and point and shoots do not weight 2-4 pounds like SLRs with
    lenses and do not have awkward weight distribution like SLRs with
    lenses. It's not a problem to contort your hand to hold a light camera
    when taking a photo or to hold it cupped in your palm. Holding an SLR
    rigidly is a different thing.
    TH O, Jan 26, 2008
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    TH O Guest

    I think you should stick to pinhole cameras then in you think
    construction doesn't matter.
    TH O, Jan 26, 2008
  18. So what is the problem you perceive with a "poorly constructed camera"
    that produces good results?
    Joseph Meehan, Jan 26, 2008
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    Mr. Strat Guest

    I still like the old Nikon F the huge prism...lenses that you have to
    put on at F/5.6, etc. I never owned one, but used a few through the
    years. Now, that was a camera.

    You could always tell the guys that used an F because their right index
    finger was crooked from the weird location of the shutter button.
    Mr. Strat, Jan 26, 2008
  20. Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe what is awkward to YOU
    may not be to others. Each person is unique. Some more than others. No
    one camera is going to work well for everyone. You have yet to provide and
    apparent rational for suggesting that the Rebel is somehow universally
    awkward. I am sure some people find it that way, and some find Nikons that
    way. I find 8X10's generally awkward. The real question is why do you have
    so many problems with Canon when so many other people are buying them and
    enjoying them. Could it be they really are happy with them. Could it be
    that some people are not happy with other makes?
    Joseph Meehan, Jan 26, 2008
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