Canon G9 or Canon EOS 400D

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Simon Davis, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. Simon Davis

    Simon Davis Guest

    I am looking to buy a new camera. I have tried looking on the net so see
    what the difference is between compact digital and a DSLR. I am still non
    the wiser. Anyway, I have come up with either the Canon G9 or the EOS 400D
    and wanted to ask here what is the best camera. I wanted to point and shoot
    initially and then have the features there to learn about so I can grow into
    it.

    Thanks for the help
     
    Simon Davis, Feb 29, 2008
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    Steve Guest

    If you can afford it, I'd say go with the EOS. You can start out using it
    as a point and shoot by setting it to automatic mode where the camera makes
    all the decisions. You just have to decide where to point it and when to
    press the button. The only real difference at this stage is that you have
    to look through a little hole on the back of the EOS to see what the
    camera's seeing whereas although the G9 also has a peep-hole to look through
    it also shows you the view on the screen on the back, probably the way most
    G9 owners will use it. Although the G9 has many user-configurable settings,
    the EOS is in a totally different league when it comes to "growing into it"
    and having control over the camera and thus the images it takes. You also
    open up the possibilities of a whole raft of additional lenses and
    attachments with the EOS which you can blow your life savings on once you
    grow past the point-and-click stage. The G9 has very limited (if any) scope
    for expansion.

    My 2p
    Steve
     
    Steve, Feb 29, 2008
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  3. Simon Davis

    Simon Davis Guest

    thank you Steve

    will the 400 take better photos. will it be ojk to use wth the lense suplied
    or will i have to buy another. its quality of photos that i realy want
     
    Simon Davis, Feb 29, 2008
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    ray Guest

    Are you married to canon?

    There is a big difference between a dslr and a P&S - perhaps some looking
    on wikipedia will explain better than a short note in a news group.
    Briefly, some differences are: a DSLR shows you what the lens is seeing -
    the view through the actual lens is sent via a mirror to the viewfinder -
    when it takes a picture the mirror flips up out of the way. A P&S may
    have an optical viewfinder, an Electronic Viewfinder (EVF cameras often
    come with long zooms) or simply an LCD screen on the back - none of them
    actually show the scene through the lens though an EVF comes closest - it
    shows you what the sensor is actually seeing. DSLRs have changeable
    lenses - P&S do not.

    From what you've said, I think a perfect camera for you would be a Kodak
    P series. They are EVF cameras with 6 or 12x zooms. They also have full
    manual modes and just about all the features of a DSLR at a fraction of
    the cost (main difference from a DSLR besides non-interchangeable lens
    and EVF is smaller sensor). These have been discontinued but are still
    available from the online Kodak store. They also save pictures in raw,
    tiff or jpeg, so you can start learing about all the things raw files can
    do.
     
    ray, Feb 29, 2008
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  5. Simon Davis

    Celcius Guest

    Simon,
    The kit lens on thr EOS 400D is not excellent. However, it takes good
    pictures, certainly as good as the G9. It's a 18-55mm lens, with a factor of
    1,6, it gives you the equivalent of 29mm - 88mm. You can start that way and
    when you get used to it and get into photos, you'll know what type of lens
    you need. That lens costs less than $100. So, it won't break you. I have the
    Eos30D and my first lens is the 17-85mm IS USM (in the range of $500-$600).
    My long lens is a 70-300 IS USM (in the range of $650-$750). These prices
    depend where you buy them USA or Canada, stores / Internet. I find these 2
    lenses satisfactory for the type of photography I do (and my pocket book).
    This discussion about lenses is important in the sense that these lenses are
    not interchangeable from one camera to the next. If you start on Canon and
    buy lenses, you pretty well have to stay with Canon or face a costly change.
    Same for Nikon. So in DSLR cameras, it's essential to know what make you
    want. You may change the model of your camera, and if the new model is not a
    full sensor, you can still use the lenses you have. I hadan XT, now a D30
    and can still use my lenses.
    Take care.
    Marcel
     
    Celcius, Feb 29, 2008
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  6. Simon Davis

    Steve Guest

    The latest top of the range P&S (point and shoot) cameras such as the G9 are
    pretty darned good at what they do so the difference between the G9 and the
    EOS in it's "standard trim" will be fairly minimal from the point of view of
    holding a print from either in your hand and looking at it (or viewing it on
    the computer screen) is concerned. However, as I said before, P&S cameras
    are fairly limited in their scope for expansion. By expansion, I mean the
    use of additional interchangeable lenses and other photography bling.

    If you buy an EOS kit it'll most probably come with a bog-standard 18-55mm
    zoom lens. The kit lenses do a pretty respectable job, certainly no worse
    than an expensive P&S, although the P&S will almost certainly have a slight
    advantage in the amount you can zoom in. The 18-55mm range is quite useful
    though and will be good for most every-day things. Of course, if you want
    to photograph the whiskers on a cat at a thousand yards then it will fall
    some way short of expectations. But then so will the P&S. The advantage of
    the DSLR (the EOS) is that you can buy an additional lens to fit in place of
    the 18-55 for those occasions when bewhiskered felines need to be
    photographed. By the time the "buy new lens" moment comes you'll be
    familiar with the camera and know rather more about what you want to achieve
    and what your photography stule is.

    Of course, if you just want to take bright snaps then the EOS is overkill
    .... and so, probably, is the G9!

    You've probably done so already but if not, go out and buy a couple of the
    camera/photography magazines and have a flip through. Most of the pictures
    (probably nearly all of them) will have been taken with a DSLR or a bridge
    camera (the type that another respondent to your original question has
    mentioned). Don't worry about tweaking the images on the computer, digital
    darkroom techniques or processing (something which photo mag's are also full
    of). The camera will come with software to be able to do basic tweaking
    with and, more importantly, a rudimentary way of cataloguing and filing your
    images - vital when great granny decides she wants a picture of little Jenny
    in the pigtails which little Jenny hasn't worn for 3 years since she cut her
    hair short! Tweaking and darkrooming are a bridge that can be crossed at a
    later date.

    So, a long-winded way of saying that the images from the EOS and the G9 will
    be pretty similar. You won't need an additional lens for the EOS, although
    if you do get the EOS you'll probably fairly quickly think about expanding
    the potential with another one. You need to think about the style of
    photography you want to do and what you want to carry around. And vitally,
    after you've read the magazines and dreamed, you need to think carefully
    about in which direction your picture taking might take you in 6 months or a
    years time and will what you buy today still fit with what you'll be wanting
    to do then.

    Another 2p worth.
    Steve
     
    Steve, Feb 29, 2008
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  7. Simon Davis

    Celcius Guest

    I am pretty sure the conversion factor for all these: Xt, XTI, 20D, 30D,
    40D, etc is 1,6
    Take a look at:
    http://www.digitalfotoclub.com/canon/canon-eos-digital.asp
    Marcel
     
    Celcius, Feb 29, 2008
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    Ron Recer Guest

    Others have given you a great deal to think about concerning the G9 vs the
    400D. I thought of a couple of things I haven't seen mentioned.

    First, the 400D is heavier and bulkier than a G9. You have to want to carry
    DSLR around and it can be tiring.

    The 400D and in fact any DSLR will require more maintenance than a G9. From
    time to time the sensor (actually sensor filter) inside a DSLR will need to
    be cleaned. At wide F stops the 'crud' that collects on the sensor filter
    usually isn't noticeable, but at F20-F22 photos with a lot of blue sky (or
    other solid color background) the 'crud' will stand out in the photo. How
    often you need to clean the sensor will depend on the camera and how often
    you change/remove the lens. If you aren't willing to learn to clean the
    sensor filter, don't buy a DSLR.

    Some have mentioned a lack of telephoto capability of the G9. If you need a
    lot of zoom Canon has some non-DSLR cameras with 10x to 12x zoom which gets
    you in the 300mm-400mm range of DSLR lens. I believe it is the "S" series,
    but I am not sure what number they are up to. I believe the "S" series has
    a full range of settings like the G9.

    Determining the type of photos you think you will take may be helpful. If
    you are interested in taking wildlife photos then the G9 is NOT your camera
    as it lacks serious zoom. On the other hand it you plan on taking mostly
    candid snapshots, the G9 is probably the way to go.

    Before you buy either the G9 to the 400D, go to a store and hold each of
    them to see how they fit your hand.

    I started with a Canon G1 and moved up to the Canon 10D when it came out. I
    like taking wildlife photos and the G series isn't the camera for that. If
    you get a DSLR and get hooked. expect to start accumulating lens that cost
    more than the camera!

    Ron
     
    Ron Recer, Mar 1, 2008
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  9. Simon Davis

    BackPacker Guest

    The latest is the Canon Powershot S5is, announced 7th May, 2007. Effective
    focal lengths (relative to 35mm): 36mm (f/2.7 to f/8) to 432mm (f/3.5 to
    f/8). So many settings, with so much control over your shots, it's like a
    fixed-lens DSLR (but with a smaller sensor, obviously). Its only serious
    drawback is that it doesn't perform too well in very low light situations,
    e.g. night shots.

    Oh, and though it's a fixed lens, it can take an adapter for wide-angle
    (e.g. .45x for 17mm efl) and tele-extender (up to 2.2x for 950mm efl)
    lenses as well as all the usual filters.

    This might not mean a lot to the OP, but what it adds up to is that if you
    want Canon, and you want zoom, the S5 is the one to go for. Or you can pay
    a fair bit less and get the S3 with an adequate 6 megapixels instead of 8.
     
    BackPacker, Mar 2, 2008
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    Joel Guest

    *If* it has option to use external flash then you may want to give it a
    try. It won't be easy to use external flash with P&S, but with powerful
    external flash you may be able to do even better than DSLR.

    Or with external flash you may have more problem of getting overexposed
    than underexposed, and much greater distance than DSLR.
     
    Joel, Mar 2, 2008
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