Canon i9000 - lack of Adobe RGB profile support?

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by DL, Feb 2, 2004.

  1. DL

    DL Guest

    Hi,

    I seem to be just finding out that my Canon i9000 does not have support for
    anything other than the sRGB color space. They do provide support with other
    printers. I still trying to get more info from Canon support; is this an issue
    that's well known? Has Canon committed to providing support Adobe RGB in the
    future?

    I can't believe that they support this with other printers, but not their $500
    top of the line model?

    Any work-arounds known?

    Thanks,

    -Dick
     
    DL, Feb 2, 2004
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  2. DL

    Chris Cox Guest

    It can support any colorspace -- just convert to the printer profile
    before printing (or in the printer dialog).
     
    Chris Cox, Feb 2, 2004
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  3. DL

    Flycaster Guest

    Unbelievable, if true. If you use just one or two papers, have Chromix or
    Profile City make custom paper profiles, and follow their directions.
    You'll end up using Photoshop to convert the image to those profiles and the
    printer driver won't get in the way at all. You'll be able to use whatever
    working color space you want, and you'll get a far better screen-to-printer
    match to boot.
     
    Flycaster, Feb 2, 2004
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  4. DL

    The Yowie Guest

    It's all lies and a KGB plot to overthrow a perfectly good printer.
    Instructions:
    Go to 'start'
    control panel
    printers
    right click the canon S9000 printer icon
    click the tab 'Color Management'
    Associate the colour profile BJPRN2 with this printer and make it the
    default profile.

    Whenever you create a masterpiece you want to print, just press the print
    icon and use the default printer profile. Simple, eh? Make sure when you
    print, you choose the appropriate paper type. Ilford Galerie (for example)
    needs photo film as the paper type and don't ever use Kodak papers in a
    S9000.

    The Yowie
     
    The Yowie, Feb 2, 2004
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  5. DL

    DL Guest

    Just to clarify a few things...

    I was finding that I got unexpected results while printing using Canon papers
    from the Adobe RGB color space (from Photoshop CS). Things were better when I
    selected ICM when printing, and digging through the documentation, this causes a
    conversion to the sRGB color space before printing. Canon did send me info
    about how to print from Adobe RGB while retaining max. gamut, but it turns out
    that info did not apply to the i9000 printer.

    Again, I'm still trying to get clarification from Canon on all this; so far the
    common theme among the replies is that it's best to use sRGB with this printer.
    As someone else said, this seems unbelievable, if true. In fact, here's a quote
    from a Canon tech: "At this point only the i560, i860, i900D and i960
    driver contain the Adobe RGB profiles."

    This seems like unbelievable sloth on Canon's part so far... How can they
    expect to compete with the Epson 1280 with this kind of support? Can you tell
    I'm mad?


    -Dick
     
    DL, Feb 2, 2004
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  6. Adobe RGB isn't a printer color space. It's suitable
    only as a working space or profile connection space
    (PCS.) Unless you have a suitable ICC profile
    (.icc or .icm) for your printer, you will need to let the
    printer driver do your printing for you, and use sRGB
    as your working space.

    A few paper and ink manufacturers have generic
    profiles available for download (eg. Red River Paper).

    You can also find a few here:

    http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm

    In a nutshell, it's not really Canon's responsibility
    to provide profiles for every available paper that
    you might choose to print on. As is typical, they've
    chosen to provide a handful of proprietary profiles
    for their own papers, assuming you use their own
    ink as well. These should work fine, as long as
    you stick with sRGB as your working space.

    With a proper ICC profile for the printer/paper/ink,
    you should be able to use whatever working space
    you like, as long as you follow the proper procedures
    for the image editor you're using -- either Photoshop
    or some other ICC-compliant tool.



    rafe b.
    http://www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    Raphael Bustin, Feb 2, 2004
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  7. DL

    DL Guest

    Yes, this is the only thing that's working at all...
    Thanks for the pointer, I'll try 'em out, especially since I have a ton of epson
    paper left over.
    Yes but... Canon has chosen to support Adobe RGB profiles in 4 of their
    printers, but not the i9100. If I knew this before hand, I would have bought
    another Epson. To me this indicates Canon isn't taking the printing market, or
    at least this segment, seriously.
     
    DL, Feb 4, 2004
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  8. Canon's a relatively new player in this market
    and IMO are a bit confused about how to approach it,
    or exactly who they're marketing to.

    For example, the Canon print driver on my S9000 is
    seriously dumbed down compared to the typical
    Epson print driver.

    The S9000 has a very fine but very annoying vertical
    banding that cannot be adjusted out. Were it not for
    that banding, I'd have to say the S9000's output is
    the best I've ever seen from an inkjet.

    Epson has support for pigment inks, whereas Canon
    doesn't yet -- at least not in any desktop machine.
    But then, Canons are faster... way, way faster than
    any Epson I've owned.

    Overall I'm fairly pleased with my S9000 but not
    sure whether my next inkjet printer will be Canon or
    Epson or... other.


    rafe b.
    http://www.terrapinphoto.com
     
    Raphael Bustin, Feb 4, 2004
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  9. Raphael,
    Several of my customers using S9000 printers have complained about the same
    problem. Some of them have eliminated the problem by making sure their
    printer has no "plugback" transformers or other electro magnetic generating
    devises within a few feet of it. If it is within a foot or so of your
    monitor, it should be moved too. I don't have the problem with my own S9000
    but I can make it happen by putting a transformer next to it.
    DD
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    Duncan Donald, Feb 4, 2004
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  10. DL

    Chris Cox Guest


    That might be true.
    But you don't have to use any particular RGB profile when printing --
    you just convert to the printer's profile and print (and don't let the
    driver do anything else to the data).

    It really is that simple.

    Chris
     
    Chris Cox, Feb 9, 2004
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