Canon lenses, universally disliked?

Discussion in 'Canon' started by RichA, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. Then all I meant to convey is Rich, and his puppet Richard, are trolls.
     
    John McWilliams, Aug 1, 2008
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  2. RichA

    RichA Guest

    And there in lies the problem. You stuck with film lenses. That
    attitude amongst some Canon supporters/users is what has held Canon
    back (or maybe they are just too stingy to do new designs?) and
    resulted in the current situation where you have people looking
    elsewhere for lenses. Digital sensors are NOT film, they require
    better quality lenses (telecentric, ideally) to function to the level
    they can. Nikon has clued in, Olympus has from the get-go, Pentax is
    coming around, Sony is still a question. Canon has resisted radical
    redesigns and it has cost them, so people are forced to look into
    other brands to get the results they want. There are even Canon users
    using Nikon's 14-24mm f2.8, even though it is AF, just to get the
    optical quality of a modern lens designed to be used with sensors.
     
    RichA, Aug 1, 2008
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  3. But therein lies the fundamental error in your assumption. I'm not 'stuck'
    with film lenses. I consider them to high quality lenses and am completely
    happy with them. They are sharp, focus fast and give me no problems
    whatsoever.
     
    Jack Ruby Tuesday the Fourth Esq., Aug 1, 2008
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  4. You are arguing with one whose posts frequently contain multiple errors
    in assumptions as well as fact.

    Please put your reply after the body of the trimmed post.

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    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm
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    John McWilliams, Aug 1, 2008
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    Richard Guest

    Which wides or wide zoom Canon lenses do you use?
     
    Richard, Aug 1, 2008
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    D-Mac Guest

    You do realise Jack, that film lenses are not particularly good on
    digital cameras? It's to do with the way light is directed to the film
    plane. OK to have it on an angle for film but the micro lenses on
    digital sensors pick up light best when it's directly on top, not at an
    angle.

    Olympus were the first to prove just how much difference it makes to
    have the light path to the sensor as perpendicular as possible. Now many
    lens makers produce "digital" optimised lenses.

    Plenty of people migrated to digital on a budget and paid the price
    later. If they were smart, they chose the brand based on suitability for
    their work. Others bought even more gear for their chosen brand before
    (like me) jumping ship to another brand at a huge loss on the first lot.

    When Rich says "stuck with film lenses", he knows the difference in
    image quality and that Canon lenses are falling behind in this area.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 2, 2008
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  7. When Rich says that, he doesn't know Jack. When you say Canon are
    "falling behind", you're no better.

    Yes, lenses with special coatings to prevent light wave bounce, and with
    more perpendicularity are good, but hardly a good reason to chuck out
    otherwise good glass.
     
    John McWilliams, Aug 2, 2008
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    stan.birch Guest

    This query is neither funny nor sad. It's just stupid.

    The only limitation to my L zoom lenses, is the camera sensor. 'Nuff
    said!
     
    stan.birch, Aug 2, 2008
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Because the subject line is deliberate trolling. ONE person cannot be
    taken to include everybody and so it is clearly intentioanally
    inflammatory.
    How do we get from "the guy" to "universally"?
    Which doesn't even say that he dislikes ANY Canon lenses.
     
    Ray Fischer, Aug 2, 2008
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  10. RichA

    Ray Fischer Guest

    You're best known for your irrational anti-Canon bias.
     
    Ray Fischer, Aug 2, 2008
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  11. RichA

    D-Mac Guest


    That depends very much on the size of the sensor John. You are
    relatively lucky in having a 5D with a forgiving sensor design. The 10D
    also had such a design. The 20D/30D/40D/Rebel series had no such
    forgiving sensors.

    This article explains some of it (not Canon related)
    http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/four-thirds/sensor-position.html

    Very accurate stuff too.
     
    D-Mac, Aug 2, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Looks to me like those 2 lenses are comparable, that's why I smiled.

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    Paul Furman, Aug 2, 2008
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  13. Actually Canon has made some decent lenses: They go by the name of "FD" and
    are manual focus.
    I have the 20-24-35-50-85-100-100macro-135 primes and use them on my A-1 and
    T90. Excellent lenses.
     
    ---------------, Aug 2, 2008
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    HEMI-Powered Guest

    RichA added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
    That's your right, of course.
    I don't know what "those who don't care about ultimate quality"
    means as there really is no such thing. While I cannot
    intelligently comment in a technical or scientific discussion on
    lens quality, it does strike me that NO lens can produce
    "ultimate quality" because of defects inherent in any real-life
    design. So, isn't it better to talk in terms of subject(s) one
    shoots and both one's qualitative and quantitative measures of
    "quality" than to engage in some religious war pitting Nikon vs
    Canon?
     
    HEMI-Powered, Aug 2, 2008
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    dwight Guest

    What about the armies of 5D owners who DO buy Canon lenses? Are they simply
    to be ignored, because they don't fit your premise?

    Your logic has always been one of convenience.

    dwight
     
    dwight, Aug 2, 2008
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    Richard Guest

    Then it's illogical, because he could get Canon lenses cheaper than the
    alternative, so I guess the guy is just crazy?
    I doubt it, he's just come to the same realization as many other 5D users:
    If you want to maximize its performance, you'll look outside the brand for
    better lenses.
     
    Richard, Aug 3, 2008
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  17. RichA

    Richard Guest

    Ideally, that would be the case. Sadly, it isn't.
     
    Richard, Aug 3, 2008
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  18. RichA

    Richard Guest

    I think we should qualify this at this point to say that problems with film
    lenses versus optimized for digital lenses are typically found in wide angle
    lenses as the light paths from telephotos are usually perpendicular enough
    to work with film and digital.
    Of course, this doesn't rule out all the other aberrations a lens might
    suffer from that could be made worse with digital than film.
     
    Richard, Aug 3, 2008
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  19. RichA

    Richard Guest

    Put it another way, if Nikon's could adapter other lenses easily (like Canon
    and Olympus) do you really think Nikon owners would opt to put Canon glass
    on their cameras? I'll give you a hint: NO!
     
    Richard, Aug 3, 2008
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Or he knows something that you do not.
    That you're just some bitter anti-Canon bigot.
     
    Ray Fischer, Aug 3, 2008
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