Canon or Nikon?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Mark Bolitho, Sep 17, 2003.

  1. Mark Bolitho

    Mark Bolitho Guest

    Hello, I am just new to photography and I am looking at buying my first
    entry level camera. I am looking at the Canon EOS 300V SLR. What are peoples
    opinions on this camera and do you think the equivalent Nikon is better? Can
    anyone else recommend a good entry level camera around a similar price?

    Your comments appreciated

    Regards
    Mark
     
    Mark Bolitho, Sep 17, 2003
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  2. Depends what you want, dunnit.

    If you can live without autofocus, I'd still recommend a secondhand
    Contax 139 or 137MA (although both are now getting a bit long in the
    tooth), as among the cheapest top quality pieces of kit.
     
    Willy Eckerslyke, Sep 17, 2003
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  3. Mark Bolitho

    Joe Guest

    Ah but!

    The 139 is great (I have one and whenever I pick it up, it's like coming
    home). I also have RTS bodies.

    The downside for this at entry level are the lenses/glass. The best is
    Zeiss but they're an arm and a leg. With a unique lens fitting
    (Contax/Yashica0 the choice is limited. Non Zeiss is good but not as
    good. Some are aweful.

    Well intentioned advice I'm sure but go pick up the EOS and its Nikon
    equal. I bet there's very little difference in the consumer based lens
    offered as part of the package, so which feels best?

    Me, I'm going to buy the Canon 300D which is the digital offering based
    on the 300V. Lot's of people are saying it's a toy body but it packs a
    good punch agsin very dependent on the lens. Don't take that as a
    recommend as I know nothing about Nikon.

    Joe
     
    Joe, Sep 17, 2003
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  4. Mark Bolitho

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    I weighed up my Canon EOS 50 against the appropriate Nikon (can't
    remember which model). Nikon was more substantially built, much
    heavier and with truly awful (in my opinion) user interface (lots of
    buttons presses to get simple functions). The Nikon lenses were also
    more expensive in general.

    So I chose Canon, but YMMV. Go to a good camera dealer and try them
    both out. A decent dealer will let you change your mind after a day
    or two if you get it wrong.



    Tim Hobbs
     
    Tim Hobbs, Sep 17, 2003
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  5. Galaxy or Dairy Milk? Coke or Pepsi?
    The answer is the one that feels best. At the entry level (and higher), a
    Nikon will take as good a picture as a Canon, and if you pick the right
    model you'll get all the neccessary manual and automatic controls to take
    you from the occasional shooter stage to the dizzying heights of wandering
    amateur photographer. To form an image, all you need to buy is a camera, a
    lens, and some film (oh, and developing)- and unless you see yourself as a
    future pro photographer or nitpicky enthusiast, you'll be happier and less
    poor with either a Canon 300V, Nikon F75, Minolta Dynax 5 or Pentax
    MZ-somethingorother. (BTW, the above manufacturers all make significantly
    more cameras than the ones I mention; I just can't bring myself to recommend
    a Canon 3000V, Nikon F55/65, or Dynax 3L/4 to anyone. Not to say you won't
    be happy with one, but I wouldn't be)
     
    Martin Francis, Sep 17, 2003
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  6. Mark Bolitho

    T P Guest


    I cannot imagine which Nikon you compared it with ... unless it was
    the F70, with its multicoloured LCD. The F70 is about as atypical of
    Nikon as you can get, and most Nikon users would make the same
    criticisms as you of the F70 ... as well as making the same criticisms
    of almost every Canon EOS body yet made.

    Having used both Nikon and Canon (and now using Pentax and Leica, so I
    have no particular bias) I can honestly say that there are few Canon
    bodies that handle remotely as well as most Nikon bodies. Only the
    latest high-end film and digital Canon SLRs bear comparison.

    The main reason for choosing Canon over Nikon in 35mm is the more
    widespread availability of fast and quiet USM focusing motors and IS
    lenses. As yet, Nikon's AF-S "Silent Wave Motor" technology and VR
    lenses are a long way behind Canon's USM and IS in terms of the
    selection of lenses available and, in some cases, performance.

    The main reasons for choosing Canon over Nikon in digital are the
    better performance of Canon's consumer DSLRs and the availability of
    the entry-level EOS 300D, now about to hit the streets at **£749**.

    Nikon are way, way behind in consumer digital SLRs. Their pro DSLRs
    have a fight on their hands until the D2X arrives, maybe even then.
     
    T P, Sep 17, 2003
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  7. Mark Bolitho

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    Purely personal opinion - it may have been an F70 I compared with. I
    had about £600 to spend on going autofocus having got fed up of
    waiting for Pentax to produce something worthwhile (and my Super A
    developed a sticky shutter to spur me on). Canon and Nikon were the
    two obvious contenders. I've always liked the Canon user interface,
    although the custom functions are useless unless you carry the manual
    in your pocket.
    I've got a handful of EOS lenses now so the 300D is a very tempting
    proposition.


    Tim Hobbs
     
    Tim Hobbs, Sep 17, 2003
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    Joe Guest

    Bit like listening to Andrew Gilligan.

    Go to a shop, try them and decide what YOU like. Nikon and Canon have
    the same kudos on the street and at consumer level there's little to
    choose.. The lens matters :)
     
    Joe, Sep 17, 2003
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  9. Mark Bolitho

    T P Guest


    Exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing with me.

    ;-)
     
    T P, Sep 18, 2003
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  10. Mark Bolitho

    howard Guest


    Will EOS lenses fit the 300D ? I think there's a new mount.

    (again)

    H.
     
    howard, Sep 18, 2003
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  11. Mark Bolitho

    Tim Hobbs Guest

    Oh bugger! Better keep saving for a 1DS then....

    Tim Hobbs
     
    Tim Hobbs, Sep 18, 2003
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  12. Mark Bolitho

    Ben Micklem Guest

    They have introduced ONE new lens which projects further back into the body,
    and will hit the mirror on all other EOS film and digital bodies. The D30,
    D60, 1D, 10D have full-sized mirrors, even though the sensor is not full
    frame. They decided that they were going to make the mirror smaller for the
    300D, which has advantages when making lenses with short focal length- as
    you can move lens elements further back into the camera. It means the lens
    can be smaller, lighter and cost less (for the same focal length range and
    maximum aperture).

    In summary: you can use every EF mount lens ever made on the 300D. You
    cannot use the cheap consumer zoom that is bundled with the 300D on any
    other camera (for the moment).

    Ben
     
    Ben Micklem, Sep 18, 2003
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  13. Mark Bolitho

    Pat Chaney Guest

    But then it's unlikely that you'd want to of course.


    Pat
     
    Pat Chaney, Sep 18, 2003
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  14. Mark Bolitho

    T P Guest


    There is no new mount. All EF mount lenses will fit the 300D.

    However, there is a new lens which will not fit any EOS body except
    the EOS 300D, whose mirror is shorter to clear the rear element.
    Mounting this lens on EOS bodies other than the 300D will cause
    damage.
     
    T P, Sep 18, 2003
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  15. It's not mountable on other EOS's apparently ... something to do with the
    addition of little rubber 'stoppers' to lens's rear

    Simon
     
    Simon Stanmore, Sep 18, 2003
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  16. Does this mean the 300D will have a problem with partial blackout when using
    telephoto lenses (as, IIRC some older Hasselblads with short mirrors did) or
    does the cropping issue avert this? Or am I just being stupid?
     
    Martin Francis, Sep 18, 2003
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  17. Mark Bolitho

    Joe Guest

    No I didn't agree with you. I ignored you but if you happen to concur,
    good for you.

    Mark - Go to a store work out their pricing, touch and feel, go home,
    check web prices and then do the sums at starter level and don't shhot
    too high.

    When you have the items post back with your list and intended targets
    and you'll get more advice. You just need some coomon sense in this
    group :)

    My thinking about digital is that I've already a cupboard full of film
    cameras. Digi is the next frontier and will rapidly overtake (IMO) film
    in the coming years.

    Can you really imagine loading a 35mm cassette 10 years from now. Joker
    says, "You have, what an Instamatic!". (They were easier)

    Sorry if this thread has now been taken over by digi info searchers.
     
    Joe, Sep 18, 2003
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  18. Mark Bolitho

    T P Guest


    The "cropping issue" should mean there isn't a problem.
     
    T P, Sep 18, 2003
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  19. Mark Bolitho

    T P Guest


    Maybe you will give us all a lesson on how you ignore someone while
    replying to their post. The perfect oxymoron!
     
    T P, Sep 18, 2003
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  20. Mark Bolitho

    Joe Guest

    You really do need to get a hobby.
     
    Joe, Sep 18, 2003
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