Canon Rebel Ti or Pentax *ist - which one too choose?

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by P.A., Oct 5, 2003.

  1. P.A.

    P.A. Guest

    I've been looking to get a new SLR camera to replace/upgrade my Pentax
    ZX-10. I would like to keep the size and weight at about the same as
    the ZX-10 (small and light). Two potential candidates appear to be the
    Canon Rebel Ti and the Pentax *ist. Can experts or users of these
    cameras please comment on their relative performance and features?

    Any help - even if recommending other cameras - will be much
    appreciated.

    Thanks a lot!

    Paul
     
    P.A., Oct 5, 2003
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Can't say much bad about either but if you are happy with Pentax you
    certainly wouldn't be losing anything chosing it over the Rebel. Canon does
    have IS lenses but they are not cheap, so unless you are thinking of
    spending heavily the two cameras are pretty much equal.

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    Tony Spadaro, Oct 5, 2003
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    Bandicoot Guest

    I'd agree with Tony there. I happen to prefer Pentax lenses, and the *ist
    is smaller and lighter than the Canon, but on features there is not much in
    it. In part it depends which one you like the ergonomics of best.

    If you already have a few Pentax lenses, then that would weigh heavily of
    course, but if not it comes down to which feels best in your hands, and
    which line of lenses produces the 'look' you like best.



    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Oct 5, 2003
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    P.A. Guest

    Thanks a lot to both of you (Tony and Peter) for your helpful
    comments.

    Peter, when you say that "on features there is not much in [the *ist]
    can you please elaborate a little? What are some of the things it's
    missing which are valuable, and which the Rebel Ti has?

    Thanks again

    Paul
     
    P.A., Oct 6, 2003
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    Tony Spadaro Guest

    Tony Spadaro, Oct 6, 2003
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    Bandicoot Guest

    Sorry, maybe I was using an English phrase when I said "there is not much in
    it" - what I mean is there is not much to choose between the two in terms of
    features. Apologies for the confusion!


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Oct 6, 2003
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    P.A. Guest

    Popular Photography magazine has a review of the Pentax *ist in their
    October 2003 issue - the 4 page article has just been posted online:
    http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=730

    The *ist's negatives are summarized as: nonshiftable exposure program,
    no flash-OK confirmation, fairly low finder magnification, uses
    low-power CR2 batteries, no built-in flash compensation. I'm not sure
    if any of these are that important, but I have one question (pardon my
    ignorance) - what is "finder magnification"?

    The Canon Rebel Ti review can be seen here:
    http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=593

    The most notable difference between the two appears to be lack of spot
    metering in the Rebel Ti, which I would guess is, or can be important.

    I had a chance today to play with both cameras at a local store. In
    terms of handling both are excellent. The Canon is a bit bigger and
    has a slightly better grip. However the Pentax appears more
    user-friendly in terms of placement of essential controls. One thing
    that did not escape my eyes - and this is very subjective of course -
    is that the Rebel Ti is a very "ugly" camera, in terms of
    design/looks, and exterior glitz and color.

    I am now looking at the Canon Elan 7E as well ... any comments on this
    camera will be appreciated. If it's going on clearance in some stores,
    does it mean that Canon may come up with a replacement for it within a
    few months?

    Thanks very much for everybody's input and comments.

    Paul
     
    P.A., Oct 11, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    ...the way your eye sees the image in the viewfinder v. the real image
    size on the focus screen or film. To make the viewfinder optics
    cheaper, manufacturers end up with smaller magnification in the vf, as
    well as a smaller than exposed frame. (By this token two cameras might
    have, eg: 0.72X mag, but the one with a 100% frame is better than the
    one with a 92% x 95% frame)

    The points you raise above, esp. flash-comp are enough to 'thumbs down'
    the camera for me. Program shift is very useful for "P" shooters, but
    'real' photography is done in "M", A or S (T) in any case.
    It's not deadly, but once used to spot metering, it is near essential
    for shooting slide.
    I like ugly cameras. People don't steal them as much.
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 11, 2003
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    Bandicoot Guest

    It has hyper programme doesn't it? this achieves the same thing in a rather
    more elegant way. But I wouldn't expect PP's reviewers to figure that out.
    Really? That is surprising, given every SLR Pentax has ever made with a
    built in flash or the ability to use a dedicated one has had confirmation so
    far as I know. If it is true, OK, but it sounds remarkably unlikely.
    The battery choice is the price you pay for size, but I believe there is a
    grip available that takes AAs.
    If it works like every other mid-range Pentax, you just set the aperture you
    want manually and then use the exposure compensation dial to give flash
    compensation. Works the same as a 'specific' compensation unless you want
    compensation + full programme mode, which you might for fast action sports
    but probably not much else.
    Alan has answered that one already.



    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Oct 11, 2003
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    P.A. Guest

    Alan,

    Thanks for your explanation of finder magnification and frame size,
    and other comments. Both the *ist and the Rebel Ti have a
    magnification of 0.72. "Official" specs claim a 90% viewing frame for
    both also, but the Popular Photography reviews claim 82% for the *ist
    and 77.7% for the Rebel Ti. I can live with 90% screen size, but I
    really don't think 77-82% are acceptable (if true).

    As for looks, well, the Rebel Ti is not that ugly (to deter stealing).
    It's just that I've seen much nicer looking cameras. I'm sure to some
    people the Ti is actually quite elegant (seems to be to PopPhoto
    reviewers).

    Regards

    Paul
     
    P.A., Oct 11, 2003
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    P.A. Guest

    I could not find a reference to this mode in the *ist user manual.
    Hyper program appears to be a feature of the *ist D (digital version),
    and not the film SLR version.
    I looked into this more (pages 116-117 of the *ist user manual). Flash
    confirmation in the *ist's viewfinder is not available for the
    built-in flash, but is available with some Pentax external flashes
    (AF360FGZ, AF500FTZ, AF330FTZ, AF400FTZ, and AF240FT).
    This is correct, there is an optional AA battery grip.
    This is very useful to know ...

    Well this has been a true learning experience thanks to all the useful
    info on this forum and the web. I am now looking at other choices,
    namely the Canon Elan 7E and the Minolta Maxxum 7. More expensive
    choices, and bigger and heavier, but without some of the limitations
    of both the *ist and the Rebel Ti.

    Thanks a lot Peter for your help.

    Paul
     
    P.A., Oct 11, 2003
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  12. Paul. I recently picked up an Elan 7E. I absolutly love it. Here is
    a link to check out:

    http://maniek.virtualave.net/Elan7/

    My oppinion of this camera is simple: I love it.

    Notes:

    Fast.
    Big.
    Quiet as all hell.
    The eye contorl works like a charm.
    Manual mode is logical.
    Get the Battery pack.
    Does not eat batterys.
    Auto-everything can produce some astonishing pictures.

    Good luck!
     
    Robert Meyers, Oct 12, 2003
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  13. Wow, coincidence. Not much of one, really, considering the name of this NG, but... just got my Elan
    7 a few days ago. Have 3 rolls in the mix being processed, due back tomorrow.

    I upgraded from the Rebel G, and I now view this Elan 7 as "How The Other Half Lives". The autofocus
    is just superior, and in most cases just a pleasure to use.

    This camera is, IMHO, an ergonomic masterpiece. The thumbwheel on the back, for example, is always
    right where I'm feeling for it.
    Toss in 'flexible'. It has customizable functions that change the purpose or operation of some of
    the basic controls -- especially handy for setting the focus point. I don't have the eye control, so
    that's a little more important to me than it would be to a 7e owner.

    There's a battery pack available - BP300, I think - that I just picked up, and it has the most
    sensible shape I've ever seen for taking vertical shots. It puts an auxiliary shutter button EXACTLY
    where you'd want it.

    Also toss in: Flash compensation, and really simple exposure compensation. Quiet? Jeez, at first,
    I didn't think the film was winding.

    It's definitely fun playing on the other side of the tracks...
     
    Robert A. Barr, Oct 12, 2003
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Auto everything "can" produce astonishing pictures, but a knowledgeable
    photographer is more likely to do so with not neccesarilly anything
    automatic. Yes the Elan 7(e) is a nice bit of kit.
     
    Alan Browne, Oct 12, 2003
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  15. Yep. But it is a camera that can do auto everything and produce stunning
    images. Most cameras I have seen in the past, just don't compare at this
    level. I love the 7 field focus system. I like to put birds far to the
    left on little mini portraits. Something that is real neat with these great
    point and shoot capabilities.

    Flexible is a perfect term for this camera though.
     
    Robert Meyers, Oct 13, 2003
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