Canon S1 IS and Panasonic FZ10

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Witold, Jul 7, 2004.

  1. Witold

    Witold Guest

    Hi,

    There seem to be two entry-level image stabilised "super" zoom cameras
    available in Australia. These are:

    Canon PowerShot S1 IS
    3 MP, 1/2.7" CCD
    38mm-380mm f/2.8-3.1 lens (35mm equivalent)
    See http://tinyurl.com/38vot for more info.

    Panasonic DMC-FZ10
    4 MP, 1/2.5" CCD
    35mm-420mm f/2.8 lens (35mm equivalent)
    See http://tinyurl.com/2nnvg for more info.

    How do these two cameras compare in image quality? Is one significantly
    better than the other? Is their build quality similar? They seem to use a
    similar size CCD sensor (1/2.7"), which may imply that they have similar
    noise performance at different ISOs. What is their general noise
    performance like at different ISOs? What about focusing speed and shutter
    lag (with and without prefocus)? Is the electronic viewfinder (EVF) on
    these two cameras useful?

    One possible advantage that the Panasonic FZ10 has over the Canon S1 IS
    is that it has a hot shoe for using an external flash. The FZ10 can also
    keep a constant aperture across the full zoom range, which must be an
    advantage if using a non-dedicated flash unit, as you can dial in an
    aperture on the flash to be the same as the camera's and not have the
    aperture alter while zooming in aperture priority mode.

    Has anyone used their FZ10 with an external flash? Was it the Panasonic
    dedicated flash, or some other flash with its own metering? Were you
    pleased with the results?

    Looking forward to comments regarding the pros and cons of above two
    cameras.
     
    Witold, Jul 7, 2004
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  2. Witold

    Britney Guest

    The clincher for me was the Canon has...

    1. 640*480 @ 30FPS movie mode.
    2. CFII compatibility.
    3. The canon is smaller and more 'portable'.
     
    Britney, Jul 7, 2004
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  3. Witold

    Patrick Guest

    You can soon add the Konica Minolta Z3
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0407/04070703dimagez3.asp

    4 MP, 1/2.5" CCD
    35mm-420mm f/2.8-4.5 lens (35mm equivalent)

    An other 12x zoom stabilised and usable during filming!
    A combined S1 IS with the FZ10... Sounds very good.

    The FZ10 is about to be fully tested by dpreview.

    Patrick.
     
    Patrick, Jul 8, 2004
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  4. Witold

    Adam F Guest


    In the meantime check out ppl's experiences in the forums:
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1033

    I have a Panasonic FZ2, and the lens is simply superb - what you can do with
    the stabilisation really does blow you away. No complaints about image
    quality, I chose it over a canon A70, the extra megapixel really didn't make
    as much difference as the lens/in-camera processing IMHO.

    Build quality is great - I've heard the FZ10 is heavier and uses more metal,
    so should be tops. Lens has nice manual focus ring and as mentioned hot shoe
    is definite asset, as is constant aperture zoom and big rear LCD- see here
    http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_fz10-review/index.shtml

    As for movie mode, well that's not a priority for me and SD cards are widely
    available for within 5% of the price of CFII (unless you're talking about
    microdrives).

    Downsides? Not so great at night shots/high ISO, and no lossless image
    format (!)

    My only real regrets are that i couldn't get mine in black and that i
    couldn't afford the 10 ;)


    HTH

    //Adam F
     
    Adam F, Jul 8, 2004
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  5. Witold

    Witold Guest

    Thanks for your comments so far.
     
    Witold, Jul 8, 2004
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    dnas Guest

    I have an FZ10. The lens is great, and the OIS is awesome. I have been
    able to hand hold shots in twilight/dark at 1/4 and still get sharp
    shots. I like the manual focus ring.
     
    dnas, Jul 9, 2004
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  7. Witold

    Britney Guest

    CFII are MICRODRIVES!

    Microdrives are cheap!!!
     
    Britney, Jul 9, 2004
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  8. Witold

    Ken Chandler Guest

    CFII = Compact Flash Type II. Not all Compact Flash Type II devices are
    Microdrives, but all Microdrives are Type II devices AFAIK.

    Solid state Compact Flash Type II cards exist, mainly in larger sizes:

    SimpleTech do an 8GB CFII card
    Lexar's 4GB and 8GB offerings are CFII
    Pretec do CFII in 1.5, 2 and 3GB

    I'm sure there are a few others.

    KC
     
    Ken Chandler, Jul 9, 2004
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  9. Witold

    Adam F Guest

    Well yes they can be, and I admit it's an advantage - IF you take a LOT of
    pics before downloading. For my purposes and with a 2-3MP camera, a
    256-512MB solid state card is plenty.



    //Adam F
     
    Adam F, Jul 10, 2004
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  10. "Britney" <>, far, far away from here, appears to have
    written:

    [snips]
    Not correct.

    SOME CFII format devices are microdrives.
    I'll never use one, that's for sure.
     
    M i c C u l l e n, Jul 12, 2004
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  11. Witold

    Britney Guest

    Thats too bad.

    My 4GB Hitachi microdive cost me $400 and it kicks ass in my Canon S1!

    See how much even a 1GB CFI will cost you!!!





    drives a race car not called a racist?
     
    Britney, Jul 12, 2004
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  12. is that a 4GB microdrive in a S1 IS? does the camera address the entire
    drive?
     
    Andrew Morris, Jul 12, 2004
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