Canon screwed themselves (or did they?)

Discussion in 'Canon' started by RichA, Oct 8, 2006.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    The consensus seems to be a jump from the 350 to the 400 isn't worth it
    from an image improvement perspective, and may actually be a bad idea
    if the lowest noise is your goal. However, there are other things the
    camera has that might swing the pendulum.
    However, Nikon, Pentax and Sony-Minolta's 10 megs have clear advantages
    over their 6 megapixel predecessors. Nikon, was the smartest
    concerning this because the D80 body is identical to the D50! They
    didn't even go the extra mile to adopt the superior D70 body for the
    D80. This has allowed them to keep costs at a bare minimum, only
    allowing for a new sensor. For that they get a nice price increase and
    it's possible and likely the new D80 is cheaper to build than the D70!
    The sensor's physical size remained the same, only the pixel count
    changed. Look for Nikon's profits to increase substantially because of
    this.
    Meanwhile, Olympus keeps (IMO) shooting themselves in the foot with
    their incoherent marketing, once again a step-behind the competition by
    releasing a 10 meg with refinements, to the European and Asian markets
    only.
     
    RichA, Oct 8, 2006
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    Stu Guest

    Nikon have lost a huge amount of users. Although good manufactures, Canon
    is the DSLR market share leader by far and there is a reason for that.
     
    Stu, Oct 8, 2006
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  3. not all is in pixels. If you ask me, Canon could even stay at 8M and still
    gain. Maybe even more if that would casue lower noise. For majority 8M is
    too much still. But then again, that move would kill more expensive 30D...
    Other things matter. 20D and 30D were still very similar. Yet 30 is selling.
    Because 20D doesn't anymore. Same here. They (or will) stopped manufacturing
    350D. It's an improvement. Not to replace existing 350 with it. But it's
    because development goes on. And, since, new, improved model MUST come out
    every year or so. Cars get more and more advanced. WIth more power. Yet many
    of us don't sell our existing and buy a new one jsut because new one have 8
    HP more than ours.
     
    Protoncek \(ex.SleeperMan\), Oct 8, 2006
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  4. RichA

    JC Dill Guest

    This is true for almost any single product jump.

    Most people don't jump to a newer model (of anything) until there are
    2 (or more) model upgrades. E.g. most camera owners didn't jump from
    10d to 20d, but some did jump from 10d to 30d. Most didn't jump from
    300d to 350d, but some did jump from 300d to 400d. Most didn't jump
    from G1 to G2, but some did jump from G1 to G3. Etc. (I don't know
    the Nikon product line well enough to give similar examples but I'm
    sure they exist there as well.) I own a Canon 1DMII, I'm not jumping
    to a 1DMIIN. That doesn't mean the N isn't a good camera - it is
    selling like hotcakes but I bet that most buyers are either A)
    replacing an older (than the 1DMII) body or B) are first-time buyers
    in the DSLR market.

    jc
     
    JC Dill, Oct 8, 2006
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  5. RichA

    Stu Guest

    I have to agree "JC Dill".
     
    Stu, Oct 8, 2006
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  6. There are still several millions of people who will buy their first
    DSLR. Many of them, and some of us existing Canon shooters, are
    impressed by pixel counts.
     
    John McWilliams, Oct 8, 2006
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  7. Why don't you go screw yourself?
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Oct 8, 2006
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  8. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Projecting?
     
    RichA, Oct 9, 2006
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  9. RichA

    RichA Guest

    I know Nikon has lost a lot of pro photographers, one pro can't be
    disadvantaged relative to another or it can cost them money. The D2Xs
    does not compare to the 1DsMkII or 5D image wise. But I wonder how
    many non-pro enthusiast Nikon users have actually jumped ship?
     
    RichA, Oct 9, 2006
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    frederick Guest


    You have obviously never looked at a D50 and D80 side by side.
     
    frederick, Oct 9, 2006
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  11. RichA

    frederick Guest

    Olympus shot themselves in the foot by deciding on 4/3, then by sticking
    to that decision. 10mp 4/3 will probably suck - even if you are
    prepared to go and buy outrageously priced - so called fast - Zuiko glass.
     
    frederick, Oct 9, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    I think you are exactly right on this and it should be noted that the
    DSLR market is growing very fast and most sales are to first time
    buyers. So Canon is not so much competing with its own last years
    model as with the other companies offering.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Oct 9, 2006
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    Slack Guest


    I waited for a couple/few years till I saw a DSLR that I could afford and
    was happy with, which was the XT.
    And I'll continue using it till Canon releases a FF for around $1500, then
    I make the next jump.
     
    Slack, Oct 9, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    RichA, Oct 9, 2006
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    Eddie Guest

    I was chatting to a sports photographer in Melbourne after the Grand Final,
    and she (Yes, 'she') confirmed that Canon had taken the pro sports market
    from Nikon.

    Eddie
     
    Eddie, Oct 9, 2006
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    frederick Guest

    frederick, Oct 9, 2006
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  17. RichA

    frederick Guest

    They did that long before DSLRs.
    Good marketing when the cameras with distinctive white lenses are so
    visible in TV coverage etc - even if some are now not Canon lenses.
    On the back of it they rule the cheap end of the market for dslrs and
    compacts with comparatively poorly specified products.
     
    frederick, Oct 9, 2006
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    Pete D Guest


    Interesting you say that because I know two Canon users that went from 10D
    to 20D for the faster handling. One bought a 350D first but took it back and
    swapped it for the 20D.
     
    Pete D, Oct 9, 2006
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  19. You could start with the mirror/prism system. It's clearly different from the D50.
     
    Toni Nikkanen, Oct 9, 2006
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    tomm42 Guest

    Canon also loaned lenses to registered pros, where Nikon doesn't seem
    to. Lets see buy a $6K 400mm lens or have it loaned to you for a
    sporting event. Guess what most photographers would do. These are no
    money asked loans, not rentals. You just have to prove that you are a
    published pro.

    Tom
     
    tomm42, Oct 9, 2006
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