Canon vs. Nikon recomendations

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by BRiAN, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. BRiAN

    BRiAN Guest

    Hi All,

    Looking to get a new SLR, for happy snaps of the coming baby with the
    view to becomming a bit more of a serious amateur. I want something
    quite flexable and relatively easy to use that will give great image
    quality. I will be using manual features, as i would like to get a bit
    more into photography, but I need the auto modes for when others use
    the camera.

    I have narrowed down the field to the canon eos 300 with 28-105 zoom
    and 50/f1.8 lenses or Nikon F65 with 28-100 zoom and 50/f1.8 lenses.

    My question - Does anyone have an opinion on the relative merits of
    each, or something else? Given that these 2 packages are both
    stretching the budget to absolute limits but are only $25 difference in
    price?

    Thanks
     
    BRiAN, Aug 28, 2003
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    Henrik Guest

    Hi Brian,

    You are buying into a lens system when you choose what camera you are
    getting - both companies are great.

    You really need to look into your crystal ball and see how you are going to
    be a "serious amateur" and what sort of subjects you are going to be
    shooting and then which offers you the equipment you need - both cater for
    P&S
    and while you are at it, check out the new Canon 300D or Nikon D100 -
    Digital SLR's - that new bundle of joy can end up costing you a lot of
    useless rolls of film :)

    looks like you are going to do a bit more homework here - you are about to
    open up a can of worms here by asking people here to choose one manufacture
    over the other.

    best of luck and congrats on the new addition to the family

    Henrik
     
    Henrik, Aug 28, 2003
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  3. Ford or Holden? Asics, Reebok or Nike? Hartz, Pepsi or Coke? Fuji or
    Kodak? Hassleblad or Mamiya?

    Both systems are good, both do the job, use whichever you like the
    feel of best.

    With an investment in glass (lenses), you'll be locked into that brand
    for a while - so look at the higher models as well incase you later
    wish to upgrade.

    Of course, we all know the real answer is "buy Nikon, Ford, Asics,
    Hartz & Mamiya" ... [grin]

    Andrew :eek:)
     
    Andrew Hennell, Aug 28, 2003
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    Phil Guest

    Key factor for me is the compatibility of lenses, although this is more
    relevant for me as i have a Nikon FE2 - fully manual and about 20 years
    old. still, even if you have a brand new Nikon, you should be able to
    use the older manual focus lenses, which could save you some money if
    you don't mind manual focus. I believe (though i could well be wrong)
    that a new canon won't mount as many older lenses.

    Then there's the fact that Nikon's make you more attractive to your
    preferred sex, while canon's will eat your children, but that's a whole
    other matter ;)

    Cheers,
    Phil
     
    Phil, Aug 28, 2003
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  5. LOL

    :) Good one Andrew! :)

    I have to remember that one!


    Henrik
     
    Haute Cuisine Pty Ltd, Aug 28, 2003
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    Scotty Guest

    off topic but what is Hartz?? never heard of it!!

     
    Scotty, Aug 28, 2003
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  7. Well ignoring the "canon's will eat your children" comment (valid though it
    may be) there is NO current Nikon consumer level body available that will
    use manual focus lenses. Sorry. Nikon's famed compatibility is a marketing
    myth. Current G lenses only work on modern AF bodies and since they have no
    mechanical aperture will not work on any manual focus body. Put a G lens on
    a 601 or an 801 and only fully auto or shutter priority exposure will work.
    And so on. If this is your first system then ignore the compatibily issue
    because basically it is crap. If you want to use old lenses buy an old body.

    Have you held any of these cameras? My favourite camera to use is an EOS 650
    and RT. The lenses are great but mostly the larger camera feels comfortable
    and the controls are simple and are easy reach.



    David in Perth
    (Child of EOS)


    P.S. The ONLY autofocus camera system still able to use it's old manual
    focus lenses and yes even M42 SCREW mount lenses is PENTAX.
     
    David in Perth, Aug 28, 2003
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    Ken Guest

    Remember boys and girls, Google is your friend :) http://www.hartz.com.au

    KC
     
    Ken, Aug 28, 2003
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  9. BRiAN

    Bruce Graham Guest

    Ignoring the Canon Nikon wars (I respect and have owned both) and
    assuming you go canon, consider spending a few more dollars on the 300V
    body which buys you quite a few goodies if you stay with photography for
    a while. You could probably keep within budget by just buying the 50 1.8
    lens for now. For your baby snaps, you will want to use a lot of
    available light and the 50 1.8 is very well suited to that and is
    also sharper than any zoom. You can buy a cheap zoom later if money
    remains tight or buy the older but nicer 28-105 f3.5-4.5 ring USM zoom
    secondhand. It is almost a stop faster across the range and is said to
    be a lot nicer than the new 28-105 4.5-5.6. It also has a real ring USM
    focus motor which gives full time manual focus.

    If you go this way, buy a 52-58 step up ring for the 50 1.8 so you can
    use 58mm filters. You can then share the filters with other Canon lenses
    you are likely to buy.

    Bruce Graham
     
    Bruce Graham, Aug 28, 2003
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  10. Now I know what to call the voice in my head.
     
    David in Perth, Aug 28, 2003
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    Ken Guest

    Google had an answer for that too ??

    ..... this whole electronic Internet thing is amazing
     
    Ken, Aug 28, 2003
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    koob Guest

     
    koob, Aug 28, 2003
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    Scotty Guest

    yeah but I'm lazy!
    and have limited time to read the newsgroups without going off on tangents
    all the time...sorry for the hassle!


     
    Scotty, Aug 28, 2003
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    Ken Guest

    Hardly a hassle to me or I wouldn't have bothered replying in the first
    place. It was meant in jest. Sorry if you read it otherwise.

    KC
     
    Ken, Aug 28, 2003
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  15. Did you ead my entire post? Yes, an FM10 will take old manual focus lenses,
    will it take autofoucs G lenses? Um .. no ... The FM10 and FE 10 are not
    Nikon cameras they are cosina cameras made with a Nikon mount. We were
    talking about compatibility between autofocus cameras and manual focus
    lenses. Please read posts properly.
     
    David in Perth, Aug 28, 2003
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  16. Actually, he was a first time SLR buyer looking at whether to buy
    Canon or Nikon... so I doubt the issues you raised are of much
    concern to him.
     
    Andrew Hennell, Aug 29, 2003
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  17. Cola made by Hartz in Tasmania - all natural ingredients, made with
    natural spring water, *very* nice imho :eek:)
     
    Andrew Hennell, Aug 29, 2003
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  18. Thank you, another one late on the scene. We indeed are talking about
    someone buying their first system.

    Someone suggested Nikon as the better system because it was backward
    compatible with older lenses. I was pointing out the flaw in that argument.
     
    David in Perth, Aug 29, 2003
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    BRiAN Guest


    David,

    Thanks for that. It's true i'm probably going to only buy more modern
    lenses (mostly new or perhaps used), once I grow into needing them.
    (and $$$ permitting of course :D) I did read someone once saying
    (ranting?) about how great and compatible nikon lenses are and how
    canon are a poor second and that they change mounts too frequently
    etc... but hearing what you have to say made me realise that i'm pretty
    well safe either way. Going to go with canon as the price of lenses
    looks to be a few bucks better for similar stuff.

    Somebody mentioned getting the 300V cos of extra goodies. What does it
    offer over the EOS 300?
     
    BRiAN, Aug 29, 2003
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  20. BRiAN

    k Guest



    If you were in Japan you'd be shooting Pentax or Olympus to be accepted as a
    pro, Minolta in SE Asia, Nikon in the US and Canon in the UK.. in Oz it seems to
    be Nikon/Canon.

    ....footy team ;-)


    k

    PS, remember those little gold 'passed' stickers you used to see on lenses from
    Japan? The Japanese Government was so proud and supportive of the lens industry
    that to qualify for that sticker lenses had to pass rigorous government
    departmental scrutiny. You know what lenses they used to gauge every one's
    lenses by? Konica. Yes, the former mother company of Nikon, Topcon & Horseman,
    Konica is the standard by which others were judged.

    fkng good lenses they were too :)
     
    k, Aug 29, 2003
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