Canon vs. usb mass storage

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Paul in Houston TX, May 30, 2011.

  1. Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?

    When researching cameras I found several references that
    Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    those posts were about 2 years old.
    I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    Canon's website.

    Thanks.
    Paul
     
    Paul in Houston TX, May 30, 2011
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  2. "Paul in Houston TX" <> wrote in message
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    > Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?


    If you mean Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) then yes.

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    Charles E Hardwidge
     
    Charles E Hardwidge, May 30, 2011
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  3. Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    > Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?
    >
    > When researching cameras I found several references that
    > Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    > those posts were about 2 years old.
    > I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    > Canon's website.
    >
    > Thanks.
    > Paul


    Rephrasing:
    Does Canon support MSC?
     
    Paul in Houston TX, May 30, 2011
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  4. Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
    >
    > "Paul in Houston TX" <> wrote in message
    > news:is093a$2f7$...
    >
    >> Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?

    >
    > If you mean Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) then yes.
    >


    Thanks for the reply.
    I would like to be able to access the files directly
    via MSC. Everything I have read says that Canon does
    not have that capability.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, May 30, 2011
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  5. Paul in Houston TX

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2011-05-30 07:17:13 -0700, Paul in Houston TX <> said:

    > Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?
    >
    > When researching cameras I found several references that
    > Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    > those posts were about 2 years old.
    > I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    > Canon's website.
    >
    > Thanks.
    > Paul


    What do you mean by "USB mass storage capability?"

    What is your intent for this "USB mass storage capacity?"

    For the most part digital cameras use SD, SDHD, or CF memory cards for
    storage. The data can then be down to your computer by removing the
    memory card from the camera and using a card reader attached to your
    computer via USB.
    Some cameras will connect to your computer via USB cable to enable
    download of files from camera to computer. My G11 has this capability,
    and is able to connect directly to a printer via USB, and it also has
    an HDMI port.

    Another option is to use an "EyeFi" WiFi SD card which will allow
    immediate transmission to your computer, WiFi enabled phone, iPad, or
    cloud storage.
    < http://www.eye.fi/ >

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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  6. On Mon, 30 May 2011 10:05:40 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

    >>> Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?

    >>
    >> If you mean Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) then yes.
    >>
    >>

    > Thanks for the reply.
    > I would like to be able to access the files directly via MSC.
    > Everything I have read says that Canon does not have that capability.


    They do.
    I have no problem accessing the files on my S80, 10D, 30D and 40D.



    --
    Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com
     
    Robert Spanjaard, May 30, 2011
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  7. "Paul in Houston TX" <> wrote in message
    news:is0bq6$l72$...

    > Does Canon support MSC?


    WTF is MSC?

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    Charles E Hardwidge
     
    Charles E Hardwidge, May 30, 2011
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  8. Paul in Houston TX

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2011-05-30 08:14:23 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

    > On 2011-05-30 07:17:13 -0700, Paul in Houston TX <> said:
    >
    >> Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?
    >>
    >> When researching cameras I found several references that
    >> Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    >> those posts were about 2 years old.
    >> I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    >> Canon's website.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >> Paul

    >
    > What do you mean by "USB mass storage capability?"
    >
    > What is your intent for this "USB mass storage capacity?"
    >
    > For the most part digital cameras use SD, SDHD, or CF memory cards for
    > storage. The data can then be down to your computer by removing the
    > memory card from the camera and using a card reader attached to your
    > computer via USB.
    > Some cameras will connect to your computer via USB cable to enable
    > download of files from camera to computer. My G11 has this capability,
    > and is able to connect directly to a printer via USB, and it also has
    > an HDMI port.
    >
    > Another option is to use an "EyeFi" WiFi SD card which will allow
    > immediate transmission to your computer, WiFi enabled phone, iPad, or
    > cloud storage.
    > < http://www.eye.fi/ >


    My thinking is running ahead of my fingers on my keyboard.
    With my Canon G11, and the G12 and most other Canon cameras, I can
    connect the camera to my computer via USB cable and the computer will
    recognize the camera as an outboard HD. If you do not have the Canon
    transfer Software installed you will still be able to transfer image
    files to your computer that way.

    Those cables always seem to go astray.
    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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  9. Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2011-05-30 07:17:13 -0700, Paul in Houston TX <> said:
    >
    >> Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?
    >>
    >> When researching cameras I found several references that
    >> Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    >> those posts were about 2 years old.
    >> I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    >> Canon's website.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >> Paul

    >
    > What do you mean by "USB mass storage capability?"
    >
    > What is your intent for this "USB mass storage capacity?"
    >
    > For the most part digital cameras use SD, SDHD, or CF memory cards for
    > storage. The data can then be down to your computer by removing the
    > memory card from the camera and using a card reader attached to your
    > computer via USB.
    > Some cameras will connect to your computer via USB cable to enable
    > download of files from camera to computer. My G11 has this capability,
    > and is able to connect directly to a printer via USB, and it also has an
    > HDMI port.
    >
    > Another option is to use an "EyeFi" WiFi SD card which will allow
    > immediate transmission to your computer, WiFi enabled phone, iPad, or
    > cloud storage.
    > < http://www.eye.fi/ >
    >

    Thanks Savage and Robert.
    Did some further reading and read the obvious:
    Plugging the SD card into my laptop will save camera power.
    So, that appears to be the way to go since the SD card
    will be in MSC mode anyways.
    For other computers I could use PTP.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, May 30, 2011
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  10. Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
    >
    > "Paul in Houston TX" <> wrote in message
    > news:is0bq6$l72$...
    >
    >> Does Canon support MSC?

    >
    > WTF is MSC?
    >

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_MSC
    Many cameras support it.
    Some don't.
    Some are dual mode.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, May 30, 2011
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  11. Paul in Houston TX

    ray Guest

    On Mon, 30 May 2011 10:35:37 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

    > Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
    >>
    >> "Paul in Houston TX" <> wrote in message
    >> news:is0bq6$l72$...
    >>
    >>> Does Canon support MSC?

    >>
    >> WTF is MSC?
    >>

    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_MSC
    > Many cameras support it.
    > Some don't.
    > Some are dual mode.


    I've never worried about it - I've been doing digital photography on
    about half a dozen different cameras for over 15 years and I've always
    used a card reader. It's much more efficient and does not drain the
    camera batteries. There are a number of small, efficient card readers and
    most recent portable computers have at least one built in.
     
    ray, May 30, 2011
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  12. Paul in Houston TX

    ray Guest

    On Mon, 30 May 2011 10:35:37 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

    > Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
    >>
    >> "Paul in Houston TX" <> wrote in message
    >> news:is0bq6$l72$...
    >>
    >>> Does Canon support MSC?

    >>
    >> WTF is MSC?
    >>

    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_MSC
    > Many cameras support it.
    > Some don't.
    > Some are dual mode.


    I've never worried about it - I've been doing digital photography on
    about half a dozen different cameras for over 15 years and I've always
    used a card reader. It's much more efficient and does not drain the
    camera batteries. There are a number of small, efficient card readers and
    most recent portable computers have at least one built in.
     
    ray, May 30, 2011
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  13. Paul in Houston TX

    tony cooper Guest

    On Mon, 30 May 2011 10:31:48 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
    <> wrote:

    >Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2011-05-30 07:17:13 -0700, Paul in Houston TX <> said:
    >>
    >>> Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?
    >>>
    >>> When researching cameras I found several references that
    >>> Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    >>> those posts were about 2 years old.
    >>> I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    >>> Canon's website.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks.
    >>> Paul

    >>
    >> What do you mean by "USB mass storage capability?"
    >>
    >> What is your intent for this "USB mass storage capacity?"
    >>
    >> For the most part digital cameras use SD, SDHD, or CF memory cards for
    >> storage. The data can then be down to your computer by removing the
    >> memory card from the camera and using a card reader attached to your
    >> computer via USB.
    >> Some cameras will connect to your computer via USB cable to enable
    >> download of files from camera to computer. My G11 has this capability,
    >> and is able to connect directly to a printer via USB, and it also has an
    >> HDMI port.
    >>
    >> Another option is to use an "EyeFi" WiFi SD card which will allow
    >> immediate transmission to your computer, WiFi enabled phone, iPad, or
    >> cloud storage.
    >> < http://www.eye.fi/ >
    >>

    >Thanks Savage and Robert.
    >Did some further reading and read the obvious:
    >Plugging the SD card into my laptop will save camera power.
    >So, that appears to be the way to go since the SD card
    >will be in MSC mode anyways.
    >For other computers I could use PTP.


    As I explained in another post, you will retrieve your images from the
    camera using a cable (that is supplied with the camera) that has a
    standard USB connection to your computer, or you will remove the SD
    card and put it in a card reader. The card reader may be built into
    your computer as a slot or you can buy one that has a short USB cable
    connection.

    The cable that is supplied with the camera has a standard USB
    connector at one end and a mini-USB connector at the other end that
    fits into your camera. They are easily replaceable if lost.

    Some people prefer a card reader because it doesn't use battery power,
    but there really isn't that much drain on the batteries to upload
    ..jpgs. I use a card reader with my dslr, but use the cable on my
    wife's compact camera because the card slot in the camera doesn't
    allow easy removal of the SD card. There is no difference whatsoever
    in the image using either method. Just do what is the easiest.

    I'm a little confused about your "USB mass storage" comment because I
    can't figure out why it concerns you. The computer sees the SD card
    in your camera, or the SD card in the card reader, as drive. It sees
    the SD card just as it sees an external drive or any other mass
    storage device.

    An SD card (Secure Digital Memory Card) is a memory device just as a
    drive is. SD cards are also called "flash drive"s.

    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
     
    tony cooper, May 30, 2011
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  14. Paul in Houston TX

    Ofnuts Guest

    On 05/30/2011 04:17 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    > Does anyone know if Canon has usb mass storage capability?
    >
    > When researching cameras I found several references that
    > Canon does not have usb mass storage capability, however
    > those posts were about 2 years old.
    > I cannot find any reference to usb mass storage at
    > Canon's website.
    >


    Canon cameras are PTP only. But nobody cares, card readers are always
    much more practical.

    --
    Bertrand
     
    Ofnuts, May 30, 2011
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  15. Paul in Houston TX

    Ofnuts Guest

    On 05/30/2011 05:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:

    > My thinking is running ahead of my fingers on my keyboard.
    > With my Canon G11, and the G12 and most other Canon cameras, I can
    > connect the camera to my computer via USB cable and the computer will
    > recognize the camera as an outboard HD.


    Not really... if you use Windows, look closely, you have no drive
    letter. And you'll have trouble loading these files using File/open in
    many applications. I also believe you can't add files to these non-hard
    drives, while they are R/W since you can erase files on them...

    > If you do not have the Canon
    > transfer Software installed you will still be able to transfer image
    > files to your computer that way.


    This is standard PTP protocol that the Windows explorer supports
    natively. On most OSes, photo management software can also access the
    photos that way.

    > Those cables always seem to go astray.


    and modern computers almost always have a built-in card reader.
    --
    Bertrand
     
    Ofnuts, May 30, 2011
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  16. Paul in Houston TX

    ASCII Guest

    ray wrote:
    >There are a number of small, efficient card readers


    When I got some SDHC cards for a newer camera,
    and discovered that the old SanDisk multi-reader wasn't compatible,
    I got a small (thumb drive size) Zeikos ZE-SDR5 reader
    that is backward compatible with my older plain SD cards
    http://amzn.to/l7Usja
    I think I paid about $5 (almost twice that price) at FRY's last year.
     
    ASCII, May 30, 2011
    #16
  17. Paul in Houston TX

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2011-05-30 13:51:38 -0700, Ofnuts <> said:

    > On 05/30/2011 05:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >
    >> My thinking is running ahead of my fingers on my keyboard.
    >> With my Canon G11, and the G12 and most other Canon cameras, I can
    >> connect the camera to my computer via USB cable and the computer will
    >> recognize the camera as an outboard HD.

    >
    > Not really... if you use Windows, look closely, you have no drive letter.


    I am a Mac user.

    > And you'll have trouble loading these files using File/open in many
    > applications. I also believe you can't add files to these non-hard
    > drives, while they are R/W since you can erase files on them...


    I have been able to drag CR2 files from the G11/SDHD to a folder on my
    Mac without issue.
    >
    >> If you do not have the Canon
    >> transfer Software installed you will still be able to transfer image
    >> files to your computer that way.

    >
    > This is standard PTP protocol that the Windows explorer supports
    > natively. On most OSes, photo management software can also access the
    > photos that way.


    ....and LR immediately recognizes the G11 and queries continuing with
    the transfer.

    For the most part the only camera I have which I use the USB cable Tx
    set up with is my FujiFilm E900 because those damn xD cards are a PIA.

    >
    >> Those cables always seem to go astray.

    >
    > and modern computers almost always have a built-in card reader.


    My iMac has one, but with my MacBookPro I use a great USB reader from
    Elago (I have 2 of those).
    < http://elagostore.com/ELAGO-USB-High-Speed-Memory-Card/M/B0028Y9BX8.htm >

    ....and for CF cards on my iMac I use a SanDisk FW800 reader, and with
    my MBP I use a Sonnet ExpressCard/34 Dual CF reader.



    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2011
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  18. Paul in Houston TX

    tony cooper Guest

    On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:51:38 +0200, Ofnuts <>
    wrote:

    >On 05/30/2011 05:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >
    >> My thinking is running ahead of my fingers on my keyboard.
    >> With my Canon G11, and the G12 and most other Canon cameras, I can
    >> connect the camera to my computer via USB cable and the computer will
    >> recognize the camera as an outboard HD.

    >
    >Not really... if you use Windows, look closely, you have no drive
    >letter.


    Not so with Windows XP and an SD card from my Nikon dslr. The drive
    letter is H: when I put the SD card in the card reader. It is not
    always H:, though, depending what externals I have plugged in.





    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
     
    tony cooper, May 31, 2011
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  19. tony cooper <> wrote:
    >On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:51:38 +0200, Ofnuts <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On 05/30/2011 05:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>
    >>> My thinking is running ahead of my fingers on my keyboard.
    >>> With my Canon G11, and the G12 and most other Canon cameras, I can
    >>> connect the camera to my computer via USB cable and the computer will
    >>> recognize the camera as an outboard HD.

    >>
    >>Not really... if you use Windows, look closely, you have no drive
    >>letter.

    >
    >Not so with Windows XP and an SD card from my Nikon dslr. The drive
    >letter is H: when I put the SD card in the card reader. It is not
    >always H:, though, depending what externals I have plugged in.


    If the camera uses PTP you won't have the drive
    indicator, if the camera (or a card reader) uses the
    Mass Storage protocol it will be seen as a drive.

    Virtually all card readers will use Mass Storage, but
    cameras might vary. I'm not sure about all Nikon
    models, but the top of the line models starting with the
    D3 no longer support Mass Storage, and prior to that
    they did.

    --
    Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
    Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, May 31, 2011
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  20. Paul in Houston TX

    tony cooper Guest

    On Mon, 30 May 2011 17:25:01 -0800, (Floyd L.
    Davidson) wrote:

    >tony cooper <> wrote:
    >>On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:51:38 +0200, Ofnuts <>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>On 05/30/2011 05:29 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> My thinking is running ahead of my fingers on my keyboard.
    >>>> With my Canon G11, and the G12 and most other Canon cameras, I can
    >>>> connect the camera to my computer via USB cable and the computer will
    >>>> recognize the camera as an outboard HD.
    >>>
    >>>Not really... if you use Windows, look closely, you have no drive
    >>>letter.

    >>
    >>Not so with Windows XP and an SD card from my Nikon dslr. The drive
    >>letter is H: when I put the SD card in the card reader. It is not
    >>always H:, though, depending what externals I have plugged in.

    >
    >If the camera uses PTP you won't have the drive
    >indicator, if the camera (or a card reader) uses the
    >Mass Storage protocol it will be seen as a drive.
    >
    >Virtually all card readers will use Mass Storage, but
    >cameras might vary. I'm not sure about all Nikon
    >models, but the top of the line models starting with the
    >D3 no longer support Mass Storage, and prior to that
    >they did.


    Dunno, Floyd. I see what mine does, but I can't really see any reason
    that this is helpful to me or if the loss of having a drive name
    assigned would be harmful.


    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
     
    tony cooper, May 31, 2011
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