Canon XL2s......selling one?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Ty Ford, May 8, 2005.

  1. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    This should be fun. :)

    What business does an audio guy have even thinking about video other than
    something to plug audio into?

    Anyway, I think the Canon XL2 would fit the bill over DVX100a or a PD170 or
    the HDV camcorders (can't handle the mpeg-2 audio.)

    Selling an XL2s?

    Talk me out of it!

    Please.

    Ty Ford





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    Ty Ford, May 8, 2005
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  2. (smile)
    Any business you want, Ty.
    Remember, video is just like audio except we have to futz with light
    waves instead of sound waves. That and we have to lug HUNDREDS more
    pounds of gear around. (sigh)

    Heck no.

    You MUST join the video fray!

    After all your years in audio coming to grips with invisible sound
    waves, invisible RF, and the like, I'd think you'd enjoy giving your
    ears a bit of a rest and invigorating the visual cortex part of your
    brain for a while!

    Plus you'll get know the joy of clients who are eminently qualified to
    make judgments about all things video - because after all, they WATCH it
    day after day after day on their own home TVs!

    AND they have camcorders!

    So dive in. Join us.

    Heck, you've already got the really hard stuff - the audio - NAILED.

    Now it's just a matter of training for your EYES, in the same manner in
    which you've already trained your EARS.

    After all - what it takes to be any good at video is precisely the SAME
    thing it takes to be any good at audio....

    Daily work, study and practice - consistently - over time.

    Welcome to the club.
     
    William Davis, May 9, 2005
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  3. Just out of curiosity...Why? What made you pick the XL2?

    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 9, 2005
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  4. Hi all.
    Just wanted to jump in and say that, one of the soundguys I regularly
    work with has a beautifully equipped XL1S.
    He didn't skimp on it either. Three lenses (stock, factory wide angle and
    factory manual) viewfinder offset, several high capacity batteries and a
    Pelican 1650.
    It doesn't get much work, but it is available when we need it.
    Come to think of it, he might be putting it on the market. (but it probably
    ain't gonna be cheap)

    Bill F.
     
    Bill Farnsworth, May 9, 2005
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  5. According to the specifications given with my new Z1 HDV camera;

    The HDV audio is MPEG 1 Audio Layer2 16bits (Fs 48 kHZ)
    Transfer rate 384 kbps

    The DVCAM and DV audio is PCM. 16bits (Fs 48 kHZ)

    Why are some people here suggesting it's MPEG 2 or MPEG 3
     
    Moving Vision, May 9, 2005
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  6. Ty Ford

    nap Guest

    it ain't rocket science. go for it and have some fun.


    Xl2 is a big puppy. So were the XL1 cameras. I had both. I am very happy
    with the Panasonic DVX100A though. It is fast and light and produces awesome
    images. But I have posted features shot with an XL1, albiet with some
    additions, but they simply looked fantastic. So any of these cameras are
    very capable.

    What were your criteria? Just interested.

    A local friend bought his XL2 from Royal or some interenet outfitter for
    around $1800 new. It works fine.
     
    nap, May 9, 2005
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  7. Don't try single system sound on it. SUCKS! Now if you are using another
    recorder for sound then have at it. Of course the standard lens on the XL1s
    was pretty "soft and had lack luster auto Focus. So dump it. I did a 35mm
    Film transfer from my DVX100 vs the new Xl2 (XL1 would be tougher without
    24P) and the xl2 is pretty close on all aspects except Gamma (I set both
    cams at factory presets to be more fair as I know how to get the best image
    out of mine). Then again there are tons of accessories for the Canon and
    much fewer for my Panasonic. But what I need is there since the camera comes
    with a great lens by Lecia and has a WIDE range of coverage as well. I only
    needed the anamorphic lens adaptor and I was set.
    Mike
     
    R. Michael Walker, May 9, 2005
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  8. Is the audio on your camera recorded separately from the video (IE a
    separate file from the video)? What is the Video format? MPEG right?
    Mike
     
    R. Michael Walker, May 9, 2005
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  9. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    Thanks Bill,

    here's a stupid question; What about the idea of the Sony F1 and just
    shooting in DV. Is its DV as good as the Xl2?

    Regards,

    Ty



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    Ty Ford, May 9, 2005
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  10. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    Used one. Saw several others out there. Fed audio to one.

    Regards,

    Ty




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    Ty Ford, May 9, 2005
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  11. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    I'm getting requests to do more than audio from my clients (a scary thought).

    for the full XL2 kit? Wow!

    Regards,

    Ty




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    Ty Ford, May 9, 2005
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  12. Ty Ford

    nap Guest

    I am still a little too timid to try that. With my luck I would be the one
    who loses $1800. Seems too good to be true. Of course. No Warranty and
    sometimes no battery charger.. I've seen some places that etc//
     
    nap, May 10, 2005
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  13. Ty Ford

    Mike Kujbida Guest

    Ty Ford wrote:

    Ty, I assume you're referring to the FX1?
    I've read some reports that say the DV mode on it (and it's big brother, the
    Z1U) is better than any comparable SD camcorder (which would include the
    XL2).
    The only way to really know for sure would be to do a side by side shoot if
    you can find someone with each camera and, the way the FX1 & Z1U are selling
    these days,that shouldn't be too hard.
    One thing to keep in mind is that the FX1 has a stereo mini-jack for ext.
    audio while it's big brother has 2 XLRs. There's a comparison chart between
    the two at http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sonyhdrfx1/compare.php

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, May 10, 2005
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  14. Ty,

    It's probably just a personal quirk, but I've never relied on anything
    out of the Sony consumer division for billable work.

    That's not to say it wouldn't work fine, but by keeping in the Business
    & Professional Division, I can get reliable service including quick
    turnaround and a loaner if necessary.

    You may not have the same service facilities available in your area, but
    when paid projects are on the line, it's worth a lot to me to know I can
    get service when I need it.

    Which means if you want to try the Sony solutions, I'd recommend you
    should stay with the HVR-ZU1 NOT the consumer based FX-1.

    I'd also think you'd be happier with the built in XLRs rather than
    relying on one of the Beachtek or Studio One style adapters.

    Even tho they have a pretty short pigtail from the balanced transformers
    to the mini-pin input to the camera, I wouldn't want to trust even that
    in a heavy RF environment like a fluorescent lit store or factory.

    For what it's worth.
     
    William Davis, May 10, 2005
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  15. The HVR-ZU1 will not be repaired thru the Pro Division like the PD150s were
    not. Found that out the hard way. ProSumer when you buy CONsumer when you
    need repair.

    Mike
     
    R. Michael Walker, May 10, 2005
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  16. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    Thanks Bill,

    I appreciate your thoughts on this. I agree. I flopped the letters. I was (at
    least in my head) referring to the pro version.

    The next question is, Since the Z1 shoots in DV mode as well, would that make
    it a more likely companion for shooting DV than a Canon XL2?

    Regards,

    Ty Ford



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    Ty Ford, May 10, 2005
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  17. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    Hmmm,

    Thanks Mike. Sorry for your pain.

    Ty Ford

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    Ty Ford, May 10, 2005
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  18. In HDV mode the video format is MPEG-2 at 20 to 1 compression
     
    Moving Vision, May 10, 2005
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  19. I thought that too when I saw a DVX100A for $1600 then a friend did a google
    lookup on RoyalCamera and the reviews that came back were garbage. If you
    can put up with the up-sell, the time to deliver and if you only want the
    bare-bones (some people talked about not receiving batteries with their
    cameras and then the upsell was that the battery was 2-4x normal) then, by
    all means, have at them.

    I've read stories of people that only wanted the camera body (on things like
    the XL2 they MAY not include the lens, so ask) and they were brick walls on
    the up-sell. So they walked away with a pretty sweet deal.

    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 10, 2005
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