Canopus ProCoder 2 mpeg 2 to XVID (MPEG4) OR DIVX conversion help please?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Sparky, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. Sparky

    Sparky Guest

    Can anyone provide me settings, CODECS, etc., to convert mpeg2 to XVID
    mpeg4? Will Canopus provide better quality conversion from mpeg2 to
    Sparky, Dec 10, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    I haven't tried ProCoder so I've no detailed info about it,
    but I think you are misinterpreting the function of the Encoder.
    The Encoding that you are paying for and is better or worse
    than other encoders, is the MPEG Encoding. The other
    codec based encoding is largely the same for all the encoders.
    That said some can mess up a codec, or limit your use of one.

    If you were going TO MPEG2 then ProCoder might shine,
    although I hear CCE is a little better.

    VirtualDubMod does a great job with most codec, and I've
    always liked AutoGK for Xvid.

    Ken Maltby, Dec 11, 2005
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    Sparky Guest

    Thanks Ken.

    I've dabbled with VirtualDubMod but I usually don't like the results.
    Too much tinkering for little gain but that could be my own limitation
    not the program. Does it have a batch like function?

    I did not know CCE would convert MPG2 files?

    So far I find ProCoder output quality terrific but at the expense of
    time and expense of program cost.
    Sparky, Dec 11, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    Hmmm... I still think you are missing the point, CCE is an
    MPEG Encoder, like ProCoder, TMPGEnc Encoders, and
    others. Their main purpose is to convert something, usually
    DV-AVI, into DVD compliant MPEG. Many also offer the
    capability to encode using whatever codec you have installed/
    registered, but then the quality is determined more by the
    codec than the program.

    There is a new release of AutoGK, just posted yesterday,
    you might want to give that a try. If you are thinking that
    there is some advantage to an expensive encoder for encoding
    to Xvid, you would be wrong. Xvid and AutoGK were
    created by the same "community of enthusiasts" process, and it
    is the Xvid codec that you mention as what you want to encode

    Another example; all the major players in the pay for encoder
    business have been trying to put out a good AVC/H264 encoder.
    I've tried all the demos I could get my hands on, and none of them
    could match what the free X264 can do, even now. And as the
    development continues it will only get better. Another great example
    is the "ffdshow" project at sourceforge.

    Ken Maltby, Dec 11, 2005
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    Sparky Guest

    Hmmm... I still think you are missing the point, CCE is an

    I'm "experimenting" as well. I too am finding quality mpeg 2 encode
    provides better viewing quality than mpeg4. Some divx encodes I have
    seen are stellar as well.
    Sparky, Dec 11, 2005
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    xmradio Guest

    I agree "finding quality mpeg 2 encode
    provides better viewing quality than mpeg4. "

    I am using my aiw for mpeg2/mpeg4 capture.

    My exception is mpeg4 is a little
    faster to encode, so I might use it to get some fast ideas, what the video
    looks like...

    xmradio, Dec 12, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    That depends on a number of factors, for instance my HD
    Media Player does a much better job upconverting my
    hardware encoded half D1 MPEG2 than it does with even
    full D1 Xvid. The X264 looks the best of the MPEG4 on
    my PC, but my Media Player doesn't have the codec.

    Part of the issue is clouded by the impact of so many possible
    settings, for the MPEG4 encoders. A comparison between
    one with the right settings and one with the wrong settings, is
    not a fair comparison. And it takes a lot of tweaking to hit
    on the best settings for each encoder.

    Ken Maltby, Dec 12, 2005
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    Sparky Guest


    Do you have any suggested settings that have worked for you?

    Sparky, Dec 12, 2005
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    Sparky Guest


    Do you have any suggested settings that have worked for you?

    Sparky, Dec 14, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    It's not that easy, there are always some differences for:
    each encoder, each codec, each OS optimization, each playback
    environment, the requirements of any editing, authoring, burning
    software, ect...

    There is a reason all those settings are made available. I find that
    it's best to start with the defaults and then try and work out what
    changes in the setting will correct or improve the results. Make
    only one change at a time, then check the results. If you are really
    serious you should keep notes that are keyed to result files, you keep
    to make comparisons with. What I often do is name my test files
    with the change I'm testing.

    The usual settings of immediate concern are bit rate, image size (both
    storage & display), aspect ratio, audio compression, interlace, motion
    detection, Profile @ Level, and target quantization (as an alternate to
    bit rate). There is also the major consideration of whether you want to
    do a single pass encoding or a multi-pass encoding.

    Once you have everything set right make a profile and/or write down
    the settings that worked best. At some point in the future you will add
    a driver, codec, or update that will impact on your encoding, it's good
    to have a reference to the settings that worked before. This can be
    especially true if you have to reinstall the encoder or your OS.

    If you look at the Xvid encoder configuration it provides for "Quality
    presets" but I don't see how you save the "User defined" as separately
    named files. So you would need to write down your changes to the
    default for each different profile you want to have.

    Ken Maltby, Dec 14, 2005
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    neseho Guest

    neseho, Dec 14, 2005
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    Sparky Guest

    Thanks Ken. I will continue to tweak my video encoding education.
    Sparky, Dec 14, 2005
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    JimK Guest

    Insall XVID drivers

    and VirtualDubMPG outputs XVID AVI just fine
    JimK, Dec 14, 2005
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