Can't decide - Nikon vs. Konica Minolta

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Morgan Perry, Sep 2, 2005.

  1. Morgan Perry

    Morgan Perry Guest

    I'm about to make the jump from my Canon S1-IS digital point-and-shoot to a
    DSLR model, but I'm torn between the Nikon D70s (with the 18-70mm AF-S DX
    f/3.5-4.5G lens) and the Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D, with a KM 28-100mm AF
    f/3.5-5.6 lens.

    My father-in-law recently bought a D70s. I have used it a little, and I
    quite like it. But from what I've read, the 7D seems to be more camera. It's
    a little more expensive. I have no experience with Konica equipment, hence
    the reason for my post.

    I'm open to suggestions or points to consider. I'm no professional, but I
    have enjoyed using my 35mm SLR for the past 5 years (a 15 year old Yashica
    FX-3). I plan to use a new DSLR primarily for shooting my kids (with the
    camera, not with a gun) and perhaps a little outdoor/nature photography.
    What are your thoughts on how these two lenses compare?

    Any advice is appreciated.
     
    Morgan Perry, Sep 2, 2005
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  2. The Konica includes image stabilisation in the body, which may be
    attractive after what you have been used to on the Canon S1-IS. Don't
    Konica offer a lens with a wider angle than 28mm ( I assume that's 43mm
    equivalent). 43mm may be restricting for indoor photos of children.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Sep 2, 2005
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  3. For one, the lens is better with the Nikon. Another, I believe the
    Nikon has more useful features. Lastly, I think Nikon has a better
    reputation and is doing better business. Clearly the Nikon lens has a
    wider low end. The zoom ratio on the 28-100 is a little high (more than
    3x). Further, the Nikon lens has AF-S, which you will love! It is
    quite and fast. You can grab it and focus manually if you desire ...
    while in autofocus mode! The optics are very good. My comment about
    the zoom ratio above 3x may not really apply in the low focal lengths,
    but who can say [definitely the 18-70 has more than 3x as well]?
    I am curious to see what "more" it has to offer. I can say I have been
    VERY happy with the D70.
     
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Sep 2, 2005
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  4. Morgan Perry

    wilt Guest

    Morgan,
    Many answers sent will be biased by those who think the camera THEY
    bought for THEMSELVES is the only one suitable for everyone else to
    buy, and they will denigrate the other brands!!! Figure out which
    features matter to YOU. Figure out which camera handles best in YOUR
    HANDS. Listen to 'features argument' not about Brand, which will be
    biased (no one likes to look stupid so they have to justify what they
    have already purchased)!!!
    The Nikon lens goes wider angle (equivalent to 27mm wide angle on
    35mm film), but the Minolta goes to longer telephoto (about 150mm on
    35mm film). So which is more important TO YOU? I like to shoot
    interiors when I travel to Europe (fabulous churches, castles and
    museums) so I would choose the one with a wider lens as standard. But
    maybe you need to shoot soccer photos of your son/daughter with a
    longer lens like the Minolta has! But don't use that as the sole
    selection criteria, since you can always get additional lenses in the
    focal lengths you need! As for relative ease of use, the DSLRs are
    all so automated that they can serve as expensive point-and-shoots, so
    don't let that deter you from the D70...it can be used similarly to the
    Minolta in auto-everything mode!
    Consider what type of battery each takes (proprietary form factor
    or generic AA, etc.) Consider the type of memory each camera takes
    (commonly found CF), or slightly more difficult to find or more
    expensive other package) Consider how easy is it for you to find some
    accessories for that camera in local stores, where you can go to try
    things out, and consider how readily you can buy accessory items on the
    web when you local store does not stock them.
     
    wilt, Sep 2, 2005
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  5. Morgan Perry

    bmoag Guest

    IMHOP the differences between cameras is a wash.
    Minolta and Nikon each have their advantages.
    I have a D70 because I have used Nikons for years and have a big investment
    in Nikon lenses.
    I heartily endorse the D70, particularly if you want to use the RAW format
    in order to see what a dSLR can really accomplish.
    If you want to stay with JPEG you may be happier with a camera that has a
    fixed lens, is smaller and easier to handle. Many are quite sophisticated
    and some (this will incite flame wars) are even superior, because they are
    more usable by the individual consumer, to dSLRs if you are satisfied with
    JPEG images.
     
    bmoag, Sep 2, 2005
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  6. Do yourself a favor... go to a good camera store and see how nicely an
    inexpensive Pentax DSLR is at home in your hands :^)
     
    Charles Gillen, Sep 3, 2005
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  7. Yes, 18-70mm 3.5-6.5DT. Afaik its the Kit-Lense of thhe 5D, and might be a
    better choice.
     
    Thomas Müller, Sep 3, 2005
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  8. Morgan Perry

    Alan Browne Guest

    Aside from the lovely 20mm f/2.8 K-M have two 17-35mm lenses that are
    both very good. One is very expensive, the other slightly slower and
    quite reasonable in price.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2005
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  9. Morgan Perry

    Alan Browne Guest

    I'm sure you have been. But the 7D is simply better all 'round.

    -Anti shake in-camera for all lenses.
    -Much better controls and control layout
    -Larger and higher density monitor
    -Better range of ISO speeds

    One thing I wish the 7D had that the D70 has, is 1/500 sync speed. A
    minor point, but a point.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2005
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  10. Morgan Perry

    Alan Browne Guest


    With the 7D you get anti-shake and a larger monitor. Not to mention a
    very complete set of controls on the body of the camera that all but
    obviate menu diving.

    The 17-35 f/var from K-M is very nice; not sure about the 28-100, but
    that's a pretty decent range for general photography.

    The 18-70 from Nikon is an interesting range of FL's as well. If you
    think you'll be doing more wide angle shots, that's a good choice.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 3, 2005
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  11. Morgan Perry

    Morgan Perry Guest

    Thanks to all who commented. Your input was valuable.

    After much deliberation and a trip to a local camera store (I was able to
    handle both cameras for a few minutes each) I finally made my pick. It was a
    close race, but I finally chose the D70s. My final decision was mostly based
    on the fact that I've heard nothing but praise for the Nikon's 18-70mm lens.
    Having not been able to find much info on the KM lens, I was a little
    uneasy. The camera store I visited did not have the 18-100 in stock, so I
    couldn't see it. Of the 4 KM lenses they had, none were what I would
    consider "reasonably priced." So, given the wide selection of new and used
    lenses available for the Nikon (staggering compared to KM lense choice and
    availbility), I figured I would have a much easier time to locate additional
    lenses at a reasonable price when the time comes.

    Thanks again.
     
    Morgan Perry, Sep 4, 2005
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  12. Morgan Perry

    Pete D Guest

    Big deal, lots of photos get taken without and some of them are actually
    pretty good.
    If that is the sort of layout you want, if not then it isn't.
    Good but not that important.
    The main ones are there and work well.
    Very minor, many only sync at lower speeds, 5D for example.
     
    Pete D, Sep 4, 2005
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  13. Morgan Perry

    Alan Browne Guest

    Certainly a big deal and thanks for highlighting that. ;-)

    With Canon and Nikon to get this you have to buy the individual IS/VR
    lenses that have the facility. With Maxxum you get it with the camera
    for all the lenses you already have and will buy in the future. So yes,
    it is not only "Big" but a "good" deal too. So you can shoot at slower
    ISO's and longer shutter speeds.
    You have to use it to understand it. You literally forget that there
    are menus... you simply don't need them for all but a few special
    situations. (BTW: most any review in most any magazine points out the
    superior Minolta control layout ... and this goes back to models like
    the 800i, Maxxum 9 and Maxxum 7 to name a few).
    Not according to a few friends of mine who use D70/D70s and flipped when
    they saw my monitor.
    Until you want shallower DOF (and forgot the ND) or a high speed low
    light shot (and don't care about the noise).
    I meant minor for the OP. Not minor for me.
    For studio shooting with studio flash, having the highest possible sync
    speed is important for absolutely crisp shots and for reducing the
    exposure of high ambient light where not needed in the image (but needed
    for crisp manual focusing). MF cameras such as Hasselblads's sync at
    1/500 and others (some Pentax lenses, IIRC) at 1/1000. It is a minor
    point to most SLR shooters but an important point to me as I do do a lot
    of studio shots. And no, HSS does not at all cut it.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Sep 4, 2005
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  14. Morgan Perry

    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    I had a brief chance to use one of the Minolta DSLRs. It feels like an
    old-school camera that just happens to be digital. Kind of weird (in a
    good way). Canons feel like computer peripherals to me. Low-end Nikons
    (like the D70) are somewhere in between. Pro Nikon bodies are *almost*
    as "camera-like" as the Minolta, but not quite; still too many "press
    this while turning this other thing" functions, which isn't necessarily
    bad, but it's not quite as zen, or something.
     
    Jeremy Nixon, Sep 4, 2005
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  15. Morgan Perry

    Pete D Guest

    LOL , luckily you can turn it off though.
    His father in law will likely not appreciate it nor will the OP.
    Yes well, hardly something to get flippy about. My 2" hi res screen is very
    good also, still only give it a good.
    This is marginal at best. You must change your mind a lot. The D70s goes up
    to 3200 anyway. And I never forget the ND.
    I am sure you did.
    Not sure the OP actually has a studio yet?? Anyway 500th is still good
    enough I think.
     
    Pete D, Sep 5, 2005
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  16. Morgan Perry

    Jer Guest


    The KM 7D also provides ISO up to 3200

     
    Jer, Sep 5, 2005
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  17. Why not go with the leader in DLSR's and get a Canon? A year ago I
    considered the D70 (Had owned Nikon film gear ) and decide that Canon
    had the best system now and for the future.


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    John A. Stovall, Sep 5, 2005
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  18. Morgan Perry

    Pete D Guest

    Yes but I am sure not spending that much on a 6 MP camera that has noise
    issues.
     
    Pete D, Sep 5, 2005
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  19. Morgan Perry

    Alan Browne Guest

    Alan Browne, Sep 6, 2005
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  20. Morgan Perry

    Proconsul Guest

    Speaking as a Nikon D70s owner who has already taken hundreds of pictures, I
    can suggest to all of you that the "noise" issue is bogus. My son uses a
    Canon D20. Both cameras take incredibly good pictures under all lighting
    conditions....no matter what the technowonks keep saying....

    PC
     
    Proconsul, Sep 7, 2005
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