Can't format Smartmedia, "!Card error" MP3 player trashed the format,olyD510Zoom Fuji2400Z

Discussion in 'Fuji' started by mike, Jul 3, 2005.

  1. mike

    mike Guest

    That's good news. Are these Olympus specific cards or generic?
    Is there any way to learn what's in the boot sector of a working card?
    I could winhex it in and see if that works.
    Is it possible that the camera firmware got updated to handle 128MB
    cards and mine isn't?

    I've learned a lot more over the past few days.
    With Winhex and the Alcormicro USB flash reader, I seem to be able to
    successfully modify the contents of the SmartMedia card.

    I loaded a Knoppix Live CD and mkdosfs -F 12 /dev/sda1 claims to have
    made me a FAT 12 file system. I can stick the card back into win98SE.
    It is recognized as a 128MB disk and I can read/write it.
    It works without reformatting in the Fuji 2400Z.
    Ranish partition manager cannot determine the format "error determining
    hard disk parameters" and stops there.
    Winhex finds both the physical and logical disks. Claims to be FAT12,
    but I'm never quite sure how that's determined. There's a text field
    that says FAT12, but that may or may not be consistent with the other
    data. As I understand it, 128MB is WAY outside the normal maximum for a
    FAT12 file system.

    Now, I stick the card into the Olympus D-510. It gives me only the
    option to format the card. Format runs for a few seconds then gives a
    "card error".
    If I stick it back into win98SE, it comes up as a 315K disk that's full.
    Winhex shows the boot sector is wiped. This has been the end result of
    all my experiments after attempting format 128MB in the Olympus D-510.

    I keep coming back to an evil conspiracy by Olympus to require me to buy
    their 'magic' smartmedia cards. I keep telling myself it will all be
    better if I find the magic incantation.

    Thanks, guys for all your inputs.
    mike



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    mike, Jul 6, 2005
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  2. mike

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    You're missing the fact that the Fuji works with FAT12 OR FAT16 128MB
    cards without problems. I'm not trying to interchange. The major
    reason for mentioning the Fuji at all is to "prove" that I'm not doing
    something horribly wrong and that the card is probably NOT defective
    'cause it works in the Fuji. Fuji is the "control" in the experiments.

    I'd be perfectly happy to have a 128MB card that only works in the
    Olympus and will alow me to get the pictures off in a USB card reader
    under win98SE.

    The Olympus D-510 refuses to format a 128MB card no matter what initial
    condition I put it in. FAT12, FAT16, BLANK, preformatted with dos,
    preformatted with Linux, not formatted at all, repartitioned with
    Ranish, Cloned from a backup file presumably made from a virgin card
    with winhex downloaded from the link mentioned earlier in this thread.

    It's notable that most of the links claiming to solve the problem were
    created before you could even get 128MB cards.

    There's something magic that the Olympus D-510 camera expects on a
    128MB smartmedia card in order to successfully format it.

    And I'm still thrashing around in the haystack looking for it.
    mike

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    mike, Jul 6, 2005
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  3. mike

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    REALITY CHECK!!!
    Yes, you're right...but that wouldn't be any fun. Angst is my middle
    name...
    Trashed SmartMedia cards seems to be a pervasive problem. Let's fix it ;-)

    And replacing 3 cards is $90. And I have no way to fix those after
    they get trashed.

    And the overriding consideration...I'm the cheapest SOB on the planet.
    The Olympus is a $2 garage sale camera that easily exceeds my picture
    taking needs. The major advantage to the Olympus is that it has a
    diopter adjustment and I can actually see what's in the viewfinder.
    The 128MB card would let me save the pix at the highest resolution and
    worry about it later. I have a workable solution with the 64MB cards,
    I'd just like to get the 128MB working. Unfinished tasks cause me angst ;-)

    Thanks, guys, for hanging in there with me. Couldn't have gotten this
    far without you.
    mike

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    mike, Jul 6, 2005
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    Ken Weitzel Guest

    Hi...

    That missing 64 megs is well known and covered in
    Microsoft's KB. Appears it's a math error in
    conversion from 16 bit to 12 bit. (12 as you well know
    is still supported for floppies). There's a fix available from
    Microsoft.

    Another thought came to mind. Do you own Acronis True Image?

    Seeing you can see it as a logical disk, wonder what might
    happen if I made a .tib of a perfectly operating Oly
    card, with say one or two pics on it, and you restored it
    to your card?

    I could try it myself; I have a coupla 32 meg cards that
    insist they're 4 megs. Except I can't see them as logical
    devices. :(

    Take care.

    Ken
     
    Ken Weitzel, Jul 6, 2005
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  5. mike

    mike Guest

    I am truly an idiot!!
    The solution to my problem has two parts.

    Part I
    There's a program that came with the MP3 player called "wipe"
    What they don't really tell you is that it also restores the
    original formatting so you can use the card in your digital camera
    and it's recognized by your PC.
    PART II
    When I cleaned the card slot in the camera, the 128MB card started working.

    I have no idea what was going on with the FAT12 stuff.

    Thanks for your suggestions and help.
    mike






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    mike, Jul 6, 2005
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    Bill Funk Guest

    You know what trashed them.
    Don't use them in the MP3 player.
     
    Bill Funk, Jul 6, 2005
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  7. Mike-

    What is missing is most likely a firmware update for the camera. I recall
    that Olympus had an update program for several models a few years back.
    It may have come in the middle of the production run for the D-510, so
    some have it already.

    Fred
     
    Fred McKenzie, Jul 7, 2005
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