Capture from mini-DVDs

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by nsdcdon, Jul 14, 2006.

  1. nsdcdon

    nsdcdon Guest

    I'm new to video editing. I have Premiere pro 1.5, and a lot of video
    on mini DVDs. My camcorder only has RCA connectors, so I wonder if I
    can capture from DVDs if I play them on a DVD burner with Firewire.
    I've also found DVD burners with 150GB hard drives on line. Could such
    a burner be my input, storage, and final output?
    I think the minis is a better format than tapes.
    Could anybody reccomend a setup or brand that they know would work? Or
    dis-abuse me if my idea is wrong?

    My email address is . I don't make it to this forum all
    that often.
     
    nsdcdon, Jul 14, 2006
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  2. "nsdcdon" wrote ...
    It is extraordinarily helpful to reveal the make and model
    of your equipment, etc. It seems very unlikely that your
    (unidentified, presumably mini-DVD) camcorder does
    not have USB2, for example.
    Are you sure your camcorder does not have USB?
    What make/model is it?
    You will have to define what "better" means to you?

    The MPEG2 compression used to make mini-DVDs
    is clearly inferior to the DV compression used in mini-
    DV tape if by only by the objective measure of how
    much space an hour of video takes. (Which implies how
    much of the video was discarded via lossy compression.)

    In a few minutes Mr. Heffels will jump in here to defend
    MPEG even through it may not be his favorite format
    anymore? :)
    Many people who use mini-DVD just "rip" the MPEG files
    off the mini-DVD disc using the DVD drive in their computer.
    This can be done faster than real time which is one of the
    advantages of mini-DVD over mini-DV (which is stuck with
    real-time).
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 14, 2006
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  3. Or perhaps Mr. Maltby. My apologies to both.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 14, 2006
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  4. nsdcdon

    Ken Maltby Guest

    Yes, supplying the specific hardware and software
    involved, makes it much more likely someone will be
    able identify the source of the problem.

    The USB2 is still usualy provided only for transfering
    still pictures.

    An external DVDRW that connects to your PC using a
    Firewire interface, (or USB2, for that matter) is using that
    interface in a different way from the way a camcorder does.
    When you "play" the DVD on the external drive it is just as
    if you were playing it in an internal drive on an IDE
    connection.

    That sounds like you mean a "standalone" DVD Recorder
    with a hard drive. While some of what I think you mean is
    possible with such a DVD Recorder; you can acctualy edit
    the material from your camcorder DVD, if you use your PC.

    Actualy, digital tape is a "better" long term storage meida
    than a "burned" dye based DVD.
    To Dicky MPEG2 somehow stops being too "inferior", to
    use once it is made into one of his own DVDs. He also has
    not made too many complaints about the quality of HDV
    (High Definition Video) which is MPEG2, perhaps it's not
    an issue because most of us can't afford those cameras.
    No just me. And, for the OP, it's not the issue, he already
    has MPEG2. (So he need not waste a lot of time encoding
    to have what he needs for a DVD.)

    Bet that last paragraph was really hard for you to write
    there Dicky. Most MPEG Editors will work better if you
    first copy your mini-DVD files to your hard drive, even if
    they can extract what they need directly from the DVD.


    There are now "native MPEG" editors that can be used to
    create great movies. You might want to start with a demo
    from www.womble.com and if you later find that you want
    or need a more sophisticated editor try a Ulead demo. Try the
    Womble first then you won't use up the Ulead demo time
    learning the basics (which are common to most editing
    packages). A couple months with those two, and you should
    have a real idea of the features you want and which are worth
    paying for.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jul 15, 2006
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  5. Your juvenile banter is really wearing thin there, Kenny.
    Every once in a while I remove you from my twit-list
    just to see if you have matured, but there appears to be
    little future in that.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 15, 2006
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  6. nsdcdon

    Ken Maltby Guest

    Well Dicky, if you don't keep peddling DV-AVI as THE
    ONLY format that can provide usable video, I might not
    have to set the matter straight. I'm not worried that those
    who are working with HDV will be anything but amused
    by your bad mouthing of MPEG2. The problem is the
    impact your outdated opinions could have on those just
    starting out.

    And you make matters worse by approaching every post
    as if the poster were starting into a profession, instead of,
    at most, a hobby. (especially here: rec.video.desktop,
    notice the "rec") For many posters, the process and tools
    you advocate provide them with no benefits and just mean
    more expense, time and aggravation. This is especially true
    for those posters who have MPEG2 source material.

    With a few relatively inexpensive tools and a little ingenuity,
    the average hobbyist can go from DVD compliant MPEG
    source to a finished DVD, that will impress his audience, in
    under an hour. And that can be true whether the audience
    is; the extended family, the science class, the kid's hockey
    team, or a local training session.

    The fact is the video format of the camera and/or the
    project tools used, has much less to do with what the
    hobbyist can accomplish than how he operates and where
    he points the camera. Learning what video you need to
    provide for your editing, is much more important than
    which editor you use.

    Short of taking a collage course (or three), the hobbyist
    needs to practice, a lot of practice and simple tools ( to
    learn the basic underlining concepts). The rapid turnaround
    provided by working with DVD compliant MPEG, means
    more practice in a given time and more of that practice on
    the factors that will improve his results.

    OK, this wouldn't be anyone's first choice for making the
    next "Blair Witch Project" (God forbid) or for an entry into
    one of the Videographer's competitions, but not everyone
    who buys a camcorder has that in mind. (And very few
    would be willing to expend the effort and resources such
    endeavors require.)

    So keep looking down your nose at us "non-professionals"
    and the use of MPEG2; and I can keep my honored position
    on your "Twit List".

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jul 16, 2006
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