Capturing analog: Is the Panny E80 better?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Pat, Jan 27, 2004.

  1. Pat

    Pat Guest

    These new Home Theater DVD Recorders seem to be real popular and some people
    seem to rave about them for analog capture, editing, and DVD burning,
    without using a PC or Mac.

    Is the Panasonic E80 easier to use and comparable, in quality, to the older
    method of converting analog source (ie. Videotape) to DVD using PC capture
    hardware and PC A/V software (eg. Editing, MPEG-2, Authoring)?
     
    Pat, Jan 27, 2004
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  2. Is the Panasonic E80 easier to use and comparable, in quality, to the
    older
    Yes and no. I use an E50 - that's an E80 without the hard disk. It's much
    easier to use than any PC based solution. Just pop the DVD into it, and hit
    the record button. Like a VCR. I use it to save shows from Tivo (S-Video
    input) or make DVDs from old VHS tapes (normal video input). The video
    quality is excellent, and encoding is in realtime. What isn't so convenient
    is editing or authoring. There's no mouse or keyboard, just a remote control
    with a few buttons. And sometimes the buttons don't take because you're
    holding the remote control the wrong way. So you need to double check every
    button press. Entering a title for a DVD takes forever. If I want to go
    beyond simple start-stop recording, I pop the DVD into my computer, and do
    some cutting and authoring work with Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3 Disk Creator
    on my PC. But unless you plan to toss out a lot of DVD-Rs, you can only do
    that if you have a PC that can read DVD-RAM disks. The Panasonics don't
    write onto DVD-RWs.

    Tilman
     
    Tilman Sporkert, Jan 28, 2004
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  3. Pat

    Jerry Jones Guest

    Jerry Jones, Jan 28, 2004
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  4. Pat

    Jerry Jones Guest

    Samsung has just introduced some new models that will record to
    DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM:

    http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/news/b2c_press_detail.jsp?eUser=&oid=68389&location=home

    "Samsung Electronics America, Inc., a leading innovator of DVD
    technology, introduces three new DVD Recorders, the DVD-R100,
    DVD-VR300 and the DVD-HD800 - each capable of supporting three
    different recording formats: DVD-RAM, DVD-RW and DVD-R."

    "The DVD-R100 will be available in April 2004 for an MSRP of $449.99;
    the DVD-VR300 will be available in April 2004 for an MSRP of $549.99
    and the DVD-HR800 will be available in August 2004 for an MSRP of
    $649.99."

    Jerry Jones
    http://www.jonesgroup.net
     
    Jerry Jones, Jan 28, 2004
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  5. Pat

    Pat Guest


    As most people in this ng are aware, the options available to the person who
    captures using a quality A/D converter into a PC and then editing with
    Premiere or V4 the applying a TMPGEnc encoder can produce high quality
    results and you have your fingers on all the tweaks along the way. Has
    anyone done a comparison of capturing a Videotape and what the quality is.
    Also, what is the MPEG specs of the Panny and Toshiba recorders with MPEG
    produced?
     
    Pat, Jan 28, 2004
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  6. Pat

    Jerry Jones Guest

    It varies, depending on the settings chosen by the user.

    However, I have recently extracted high quality MPEG clips recorded by
    my Toshiba D-R1 unit.

    My clips had the following properties:

    NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
    MPEG files
    24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
    Field Order B
    (DVD-NTSC), 4 : 3
    Video data rate: Constant (9000 kbps)
    Audio data rate: 384 kbps
    AC-3 Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

    Jerry Jones
    http://www.jonesgroup.net
     
    Jerry Jones, Jan 28, 2004
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  7. Pat

    Pat Guest

    I assume we're talking MPEG-2 and not MPEG-1 and that the Panny has a high
    speed processor for encoding.

    When I do a 100 minute video it takes me 16 hours ina 2-pass VBR using
    TMPGEnc, in high quality mode, is my Athlon 2000+ going to look like a wimp
    compared to the hardware MPEG-2 encoder in the Panny?

    Again, in TMPGEnc, there are 4-5 quality levels.
     
    Pat, Jan 29, 2004
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