CC & LR headers hard to read

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Robert Coe, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    We've bought a few of Microsoft's new "Surface Pro 2" tablet computers, and
    our users have been fairly impressed so far. The SP2 has unusually high
    resolution for its size (good), but this means that that any displayed text
    can be challenging to read (not so good).

    One of our users has installed Adobe's LR5 and CC on his Surface and has found
    the small type in those programs' legends and headers to be a problem. He
    tells me that he's Googled around and found that other CC and LR users have
    had the same problem on small-screen computers, but that none seem to have
    found a satisfactory remedy. Is there a way to increase the font size in these
    programs? It hasn't been a show stopper so far, but clearly it's a threat to
    productivity. Any insight from the group would be appreciated.
     
    Robert Coe, Jan 24, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    Sadly, there doesn;t seem to be a solution to the issue.
    Adobe says they are aware of the problem, but will not give a timetable
    for the fix.
    <http://forums.adobe.com/message/5841108>
    Wish I had better news.
     
    PeterN, Jan 24, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

    I am not quite sure what you mean by "Legends and headers". however it
    is possible to adjust text size in the UI.

    Photoshop CC Menu bar:
    Photoshop->Preferences-> Interface->Text-> Font Size (small, medium, large)
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_539.jpg ? >
     
    Savageduck, Jan 24, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

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    J. Clarke Guest

    I don't have my Windows 8 machine in front of me at the moment but IIRC
    it's a setting reached from "personalize" after right-clicking the
    desktop. You want to "adjust font size" or "adjust DPI". The downside
    is that it makes menus in some programs unreadable.

    If you can't find it let me know and over the weekend I'll chase it down
    for you in Windows 8.
     
    J. Clarke, Jan 24, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    It's a Windows issue. I tried it on my Win 7, and it made no difference.
    I then Googled the issue, and discovered that it is a known issue for
    which there is no fix. This is one of those cases where I want to be wrong.
     
    PeterN, Jan 24, 2014
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  7. Robert Coe

    Mayayana Guest

    Here's one option. :)

    http://www.neowin.net/news/someone-has-made-a-surface-pro-workstation-setup-with-four-pc-monitors

    It's hard to see it as anything other than idiotic,
    though. Someone managed to probably spend about
    $3,000 to $4,000 to get a setup that, aside from
    having multiple monitors, has about half the
    capability of the average $300 PC.

    The Surface Pro is very expensive for what
    you get. One pays a premium for small size. Maybe
    that makes sense for someone with money to waste
    who rarely sits at a desk, but using a Surface to
    run graphic software and then complaining that the
    screen is small? Of course it's small! It's not made
    for running graphic editing software.

    --------------------------------------------
    -
    | We've bought a few of Microsoft's new "Surface Pro 2" tablet computers,
    and
    | our users have been fairly impressed so far. The SP2 has unusually high
    | resolution for its size (good), but this means that that any displayed
    text
    | can be challenging to read (not so good).
    |
    | One of our users has installed Adobe's LR5 and CC on his Surface and has
    found
    | the small type in those programs' legends and headers to be a problem. He
    | tells me that he's Googled around and found that other CC and LR users
    have
    | had the same problem on small-screen computers, but that none seem to have
    | found a satisfactory remedy. Is there a way to increase the font size in
    these
    | programs? It hasn't been a show stopper so far, but clearly it's a threat
    to
    | productivity. Any insight from the group would be appreciated.
    | --
    | Bob
     
    Mayayana, Jan 24, 2014
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  8. Robert Coe

    Savageduck Guest

    In that case it seems a Mac Book Air, or a Mac Book Pro would be in order.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 24, 2014
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  9. Robert Coe

    Savageduck Guest

    Yup! That does seem like a silly solution if they guys with the text
    size problem are only using their PS CC/LR5 installation on the Surface
    Pro for on-the-road editing, especially if they have a desktop
    installation at their home base.
    It sure doesn't seem like the ideal platform for making any mission
    critical graphic edits, other than quick fixes while away from
    something better to work on.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 24, 2014
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  10. Robert Coe

    Savageduck Guest

    BTW: Is there some particular issue with Windows, that the PS
    preferences, "Interface" options don't work for UI text font size?
    If so, why would MS go out of its way to break PS CC?
    As a Mac user I wouldn't be privy to that sort of information.
     
    Savageduck, Jan 24, 2014
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Y'all are missing a point. The Surface Pro has Wacom digitizer that's
    good enough that some folks are treating it as a poor man's Cintiq.
     
    J. Clarke, Jan 24, 2014
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  12. Robert Coe

    Savageduck Guest

    Nope! Nobody missed the point.
    You failed to mention anything about the Wacom connection. On top of
    that I don't know of any Wacom drivers to add to a "Surface Pro". I
    know there is the Cintiq Companion which includes a Surface Pro in its
    $2500 price.
    < https://store.wacom.com/us/en/product/DTHW1300H >
    If this is what your pals are talking about I suggest the get ahold of
    Wacom support.

    PS on the other hand has tablet support, so it could still be
    worthwhile checking PS preferences.

    So, perhaps you could aim me in the direction of this "Wacom digitizer"
    because I am having trouble finding it among the Wacom offerings:
    < http://www.wacom.com/en/us/product-finder >
     
    Savageduck, Jan 24, 2014
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    Sandman Guest

    Yes, that's why I bought a Surface Pro. Its pen is rally ok, but not very
    comfortable. And the tablet lacks some hardware buttons to make it a good
    cintiq replacement.

    Which is why I bought a Wacom Cintiq Companion, which is a 13" real Wacom
    Cintiq qith a real Wacom pen with 2048 levels of pressure and tilt support
    (lacking from the Surface) and an array of hardware buttons. And a speedy
    i7 processor (and piss poor battery life).

    But as a "poor man's Cintiq", the Surface is surprisingly good.
     
    Sandman, Jan 24, 2014
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  14. Robert Coe

    Sandman Guest

    Not sure what drivers you're in reference to here - Windows has full
    support for the pressure sensitivity in the Surface stylus, and
    applications has full access to that.
    Not sure what you mean why "includes a Surface Pro" here. The Companion is
    a 13" tablet with a i7 processor.
    PS has support for the Surface out of the box, as well as Painter.
    Sketchbook Pro didn't support it but I think it does now.
    The stylus that comes with the Surface, along with the technology to detect
    it and how hard you're pressing down, is licensed from Wacom.

    I.e. the stylus for the Surface is not capacitive, like all styluses for
    the iPad is. So when the surface detects the pen, it turns off the
    capacitive input, meaning that you have perfect palm rejection.

    The Samsung Note series also license Wacom tech for their styluses. I
    assume Wacom has some serious patents in place :)
     
    Sandman, Jan 24, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    There is a discussion of this issue on Adobe Forums.

    <http://forums.adobe.com/message/5841108>
     
    PeterN, Jan 24, 2014
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    Mayayana Guest

    | Y'all are missing a point. The Surface Pro has Wacom digitizer that's
    | good enough that some folks are treating it as a poor man's Cintiq.
    |

    Interesting. I'd never heard of Wacom and never
    would have thought that touch tools for PC would
    ever be more than a novelty item. What do you do
    with it? Something like computer-based sketching?
    Do you actually find a touch-pen easier to use in
    PS than a mouse?
     
    Mayayana, Jan 24, 2014
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    Savageduck Guest

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    Tony Cooper Guest

    My Wacom tablet is always at my left hand. When working in Photoshop,
    I use it more than I use the trackball by my right hand.

    The two composites I recently linked to here were done in Photoshop
    using Wacom tablet/pen to create the mask that isolates the statue
    from the background in which it was shot. Any time I want precise
    placement of the cursor, I reach for the pen.

    Some people use the pen for freehand drawing, but I don't have that
    talent. Some use the pen, with an acetate overlay over something, to
    trace art.

    To me, it's an invaluable accessory to Photoshop. Once you get used
    to the idea of moving the hand while looking at the screen, rather
    than looking at the tablet, it's a great tool.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jan 24, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    Agreed. For several years 1 have been doing the majority of my PS work
    with a tablet. I know several graphic artists, none of whom would be
    without a tablet.
     
    PeterN, Jan 24, 2014
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  20. Robert Coe

    Mayayana Guest

    --
    | My Wacom tablet is always at my left hand. When working in Photoshop,
    | I use it more than I use the trackball by my right hand.
    |
    | The two composites I recently linked to here were done in Photoshop
    | using Wacom tablet/pen to create the mask that isolates the statue
    | from the background in which it was shot. Any time I want precise
    | placement of the cursor, I reach for the pen.
    |

    I hadn't thought of that. I usually use progressive
    selection of similar, contiguous areas to separate an
    object from background. ("magic wand") I would expect
    that to be easier than a pen in most cases; like with
    your statue, where the object and background are clearly
    defined from each other in terms of color and lightness.
    But selection can be very tedious in some cases.
     
    Mayayana, Jan 24, 2014
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