cheaper camera as backup to my d7100

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Giff, Apr 14, 2014.

  1. Giff

    Giff Guest

    Hi guys,

    I am looking to buy a Nikon camera to have next to my d7100, so that I
    could take my gf out with me when I take pictures. The main idea is that
    we should be able to share lenses.

    I don't have much money to spend, so buying another d7100 is not really
    an option.

    What would you get? How about a D90? It seems to still be a good camera,
    even though the resolution is quite lower...
    I guess we would be able to only share lenses though, not batteries, am
    I right?

    Thanks for any tips.

    G
     
    Giff, Apr 14, 2014
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    nospam Guest

    the d90 was great in its day but it's old. you should consider a d5300
    or d3300 (or older models in the 3000 or 5000 series). the only issue
    is there is no internal focus motor, so the only lenses you can share
    must be af-s, which is probably most, if not all of them (unless you
    have a bunch of very old lenses).

    if you have a lot of non-afs lenses, then consider a d7000, which are
    reasonably priced now, or the d90/80/70/50, depending on how far back
    you want to go and how much you want to spend.
     
    nospam, Apr 14, 2014
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  3. Giff

    nib Guest

    How about a used D300 from keh.com or adorama.com for
    about $400?

    nib
     
    nib, Apr 14, 2014
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  4. Giff

    Giff Guest

    Thanks, this post opened a new set of models to take into account :D

    But Rockwell seems to prefer the D90 over the D300:

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d90.htm

    "If you're considering a D300, forget it. Get the D90 instead."

    G
     
    Giff, Apr 14, 2014
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  5. Giff

    Giff Guest

    In fact, I recently bought a 50mm f/1.8 which is "just" AF. Would that
    one not autofocus on the 3x000 or 5x000 models?
    I found a D90 with 9K clicks, for around $250. I think I'll get it.

    Thanks for the tips.
     
    Giff, Apr 14, 2014
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    nospam Guest

    then do the opposite. rockwell is a self-admitted liar.

    assuming the prices are similar, there's very little reason to get a
    d90. if the d90 is a lot cheaper, then there's a price consideration.
     
    nospam, Apr 14, 2014
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  7. Giff

    nospam Guest

    In fact, I recently bought a 50mm f/1.8 which is "just" AF. Would that
    one not autofocus on the 3x000 or 5x000 models?[/QUOTE]

    that sounds like the older version, which means it's a mechanical
    linkage and will not autofocus on the 3k/5k series (or d40/d60).

    <http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/2137/AF-
    Nikkor-50mm-f%252F1.8D.html>

    the new 50/1.8 is an afs-g and will focus on bodies without internal
    motors:
    <http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/AF-S-NI
    KKOR-50mm-f%252F1.8G.html>

    keep in mind that the only thing you lose is autofocus. the lens still
    meters and stops down.
    sounds like a decent deal.
     
    nospam, Apr 14, 2014
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  8. Giff

    Savageduck Guest

    Rockwell can be an ass, and many times wrong. The D90 is a very good
    camera for 2007, but the D300/D300S is far superior in many ways and
    should be available used at reasonable prices.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 14, 2014
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  9. Giff

    Giff Guest

    Interesting. I have just started googling websites talking about cameras
    so I don't have my own opinion yet.

    How about this website which offers basic comparisons basically between
    all models?

    http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon_D300-vs-Nikon_D90
    Yes, I see that it's better sealed, can autofocus faster, and has a
    sturdier body. Right now I can't find for less than $500 though (and for
    $450 I could get a D7000 instead, which is more similar to my D7100 and
    could therefore also swap batteries between the two), while the D90
    would cost me 250.
     
    Giff, Apr 14, 2014
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  10. Giff

    Savageduck Guest

    I see that comparison was dated 2010, and there seems to be a high
    degree of misinformation written there.
    $500 is a great deal for a D300. However if you would be more
    comfortable with a D7000 or a D90 go for it.
    The standard battery for the D300 & D90 is the EN-EL3e. The D7100 &
    D7000 use the EN-EL15.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 14, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    Hve you considered used?
     
    PeterN, Apr 15, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    Not a "great deal". There's a D300 for sale at DGrin for $385
    including shipping, or $500 with a MB-D10 battery grip (which allows
    much faster continuous shooting). Only a sports shooter should be
    interested in the MB-D10 battery grip, though.

    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=246328

    I bought my D300 from Keh for $400, but paid less since I traded in a
    D40.

    For what I do, the D300 is a great camera. I'm very pleased. The
    only thing I don't like is that it uses a CF card and not a SD card.
    I've got a bunch of SD cards.

    Cameras go fast when listed at DGrin. The last D300 sold for $500
    with the MB-D10 battery grip in a couple of days. Another one (body
    only) sold at $400 back in October including shipping.

    However, it's for a girlfriend, and the D300 is a fairly heavy camera.
    Not that girls can't carry a heavy camera, but they might prefer a
    lighter one.

    If the girl is a novice at photography, he can pick up a Nikon D40 or
    D60 with kit (AF-S) lenses dirt cheap at Keh. I didn't check out the
    D7100, but doesn't it take the same lenses?

    Batteries are cheap for the D40/D60. I started with Nikon batteries,
    but I bought some no-brand batteries that worked just as well. Dunno
    if that's true with all batteries.

    The Rockwell link lists one of the advantages of the D90 as having a
    built-in focus motor, but doesn't list the D300's built-in focus motor
    as being equal in that respect. I don't know what's with that guy.
     
    Tony Cooper, Apr 15, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    Forget about the spouting and ign0re the inevitable fame wars.
    I won a D300 and have played with the D90. there is no comparison. I
    have a strong personal preference for the D300, because it feels better
    for me. Forget the "reviewers." All are good. Some are better than
    others. I would see which one feel most comfortable (for the features
    you ues,) when switching cameras.

    the nice part about your problem is that there is no wrong answer. Only
    which you are more comfortable with.
     
    PeterN, Apr 15, 2014
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  14. Giff

    nospam Guest

    Rockwell can be an ass, and many times wrong.[/QUOTE]

    the problem with rockwell is he's intentionally wrong because his site
    is 'just for fun' and 'full of practical jokes', by his own admission.

    unfortunately, many people don't realize when he's making up stuff and
    when he's not.
    yes on both counts.
     
    nospam, Apr 15, 2014
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  15. Giff

    nospam Guest

    Interesting. I have just started googling websites talking about cameras
    so I don't have my own opinion yet.[/QUOTE]

    what rockwell is good at is getting his site to rank high on google,
    which is how you found him.
    how about dpreview.com, which reviewed both cameras (and many other
    nikon bodies you might want to consider).

    <http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300/>
    <http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond90/>

    if you haven't read their reviews, they're over 30 pages long and
    *extremely* detailed and in many ways, they're much better than the
    owner's manual in telling you what the camera can do and how to do it.
    i'd get the d7k over a d300, unless you need a larger buffer.
     
    nospam, Apr 15, 2014
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  16. Giff

    Savageduck Guest

    I might be thinking D300S rather than the older D300.
    ....and that is a decent price.
    True, but that is a question slightly different to what might be
    available to the OP as a USED Nikon DSLR.
    All of what you have written is valid, but I would start by noting the
    OP is located in Switzerland and I believe he is noting Swiss used
    vendors. Also I have owned a D300 and a currently own and use a D300S,
    both equipped with the MB-D10.
    The D300S has dual memory card slots; one CF and one SD. There are
    other subtle differences, the most notable being the D300S is still
    sold new while the D300 has not for quite a few years now.

    ....and don't misunderstand me, the D90 is a very good camera, but the
    D300 & D300S are newer & better in all respects. If the OP wants
    lighter weight and with fewer pro-sumer features then he should carry
    on with a D5300, D7000, or D90 purchase.
    He is also looking for battery compatibility with his D7100 which would
    narrow his choice down to the D7000 which uses the same EN-EL15. The
    D5300 uses an EN-EL14a.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 15, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    I didn't notice the poster is in Switzerland.
    Maybe my experience is an outlier, but I've had good luck with no-name
    batteries purchased online. I started out buying one as a back-up to
    my two genuine Nikon batteries, but when one Nikon batteries went
    south, and I gave the other to my daughter for her D40, I continued
    to use the no-names.

    I will say, though, that I am not a volume shooter, I charge every
    night, and that I was using no-names with a D40 and a D60, neither of
    which shoots high number bursts. I'm using a Nikon battery with my
    D300, but haven't yet purchased a back-up.

    Cameras are like printers. If you buy a new camera it's highly
    unlikely that the old batteries will fit the new camera, and if you
    buy a new printer the old cartridges will not work with the new
    printer.

    I swear, the internal bit are the same in both, but the manufactures
    make some slight change in the shape so you have to buy new.

    I'm amazed that camera makers haven't colluded with SD and CF card
    makers to notch each card for only a specific camera.
     
    Tony Cooper, Apr 15, 2014
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    nospam Guest

    i guess you missed sony's proprietary memorysticks (and cds for the
    mavica) and olympus' proprietary smartmedia.
     
    nospam, Apr 15, 2014
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  19. Giff

    Savageduck Guest

    I bought a third party battery when I bought my D70 back in 2004 and it
    has performed OK, but providing fewer shots than the genuine Nikon
    EN-EL3.
    With my D300s, I usually have the MB-D10 with EN-EL4a attached and I
    have a spare EN-EL4a in my bag. The standard EN-EL3e remains in the
    camera body and is set as the backup.
    ....and it does add some weight, but at an air show, or motor sport
    event it is invaluable. Also with the MB-D10 you get the added benefit
    of a higher 9fps rate if needed.
    Wait for it, the other shoe is about to drop.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 15, 2014
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  20. Giff

    Savageduck Guest

    Not to forget Fujifilm E900 which in collaboration with Olympus gave us
    the almost unattainable xD cards. Fortunately they have come to their
    senses and dropped them for SDHC.
     
    Savageduck, Apr 15, 2014
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