Comments on 20D package

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Robert Bobb, Mar 26, 2005.

  1. Robert Bobb

    Robert Bobb Guest

    Hi guys and gals,

    Well, after several hours of research and a few questions here and
    elsewhere, I think I finally found a package that I like. I'm looking
    for comments (any and all) you might have, before I take the plunge.

    First, a little bit about me and how I'm anticipating using the camera.
    I used to be a hobbyist when I was in high school, but gave it up in
    college, due to money. Funny how I always had beer money though. ;-)
    Now I want to get back into the hobby. I love taking photos of nature,
    and am usually designated the photographer at family functions. (I
    dislike portrait photography, but find taking candid's fun.)

    I'm not real knowledgable or experienced in photography, lighting, etc.
    so I don't pay much attention to technical details. But, as I get back
    into the hobby I'm sure I'll be learning more and trying different things.

    The package that I'm looking at is from Cameta Camera. It includes:
    o 20D body and everything Canon ships with it.
    o Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM lens
    o Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 Zoom III
    o Lexar 2GB 80x CF card
    o USB 2.0 CF card reader
    o Extra BP-511 Li-Ion battery
    o Cleaning cloth
    o some free prints from Shutterfly
    o Deluxe Canon SLR case

    The price is $2,249.95 + S&H.

    Now this is quite a bit more then I wanted spend when I initially
    started this, but am willing to plunk down the $$ for good quality stuff
    that will allow me to do what I want in most situations. Additionally,
    the price of this package seems to be a good deal for what's included.

    I would appreciate your comments before I order it.

    Thanks!!

    Mike
     
    Robert Bobb, Mar 26, 2005
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    John A. Stovall, Mar 26, 2005
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  3. Robert Bobb

    Drifter Guest

    ---snip---
    Pretty good starter list in my opinion. I do have a few comments.

    -The Canon SLR case is nice, but I love the Tamrac "System 6" model
    5606. See here: http://www.tamrac.com/5606.htm I can carry a lot of
    stuff, but it is too small for me to overload myself.

    -For a first lens I'd probably dump the 17-85 and buy a 28-135 IS USM
    unless you have a specific need for wide angle but that is completely
    a personal preference and not a reflection on the quality of either
    lens.

    -Pick up one of the 50mm f1.8 II primes. You'll love it for low light
    situations and they can be had for about $70. A serious bargain!

    -I suspect you'll be wishing you bought a flash unit before long. I
    have the 420ex and it's good though sometimes I wish I'd bought the
    550ex...maybe someday. I don't know much about the 580 so I can't
    comment.

    -Cleaning cloths are a pain. LensPen, now that's the ticket!
    http://www.lenspen.com/ I probably have five of these things!

    -I would always have a backup card so you can keep shooting while one
    of them downloads, and also as a backup in the unlikely event that a
    card fails.


    Drifter
    "I've been here, I've been there..."
     
    Drifter, Mar 26, 2005
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  4. Robert Bobb

    Robert Bobb Guest

    So where do I find the $100 coupon?
     
    Robert Bobb, Mar 27, 2005
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    Pat Guest

    I think the $100 coupons were given out a short time ago to people who made
    a large purchase.
    People who received their coupons may redeem them upon making another
    purchase.
     
    Pat, Mar 27, 2005
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  6. Robert Bobb

    Pat Guest

    Try Dell.com. Coupon expires after 400 customers.

    Code: X2DKVWQ?FK7W9 - $60 coupon
    Code: CTK?G6$011KT2P = $619 shipped free.
    Canon EOS 20D 8.2Mpixel SLR with 18-55 Lens $1599.00 - 15% off coupon - $60
    coupon = $1299 shipped free.
     
    Pat, Mar 27, 2005
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  7. Robert Bobb

    Ken Ellis Guest

    Hi Mike. I recently got a 20d and i to enjoy nature photography. You
    may find a 1gig mem card sufficient for now and you probably don't
    need the extra battery. That's a decent semi-wide angle lens, but
    you may want to get a longer-better telephoto. It's too long really
    for portraiture, but not long enough for candid, or birds. I have a
    70-300m canon usm is; I wish i had more length. My 2 cents.

    rgds
    Ken
     
    Ken Ellis, Mar 27, 2005
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  8. The package that I'm looking at is from Cameta Camera. It includes:
    Seems mildly bass-ackward to have IS on the shorter lens rather than the
    rather long (effectively 120-480) 75-300. At the very least the package
    ought to have a good tripod! :>)

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
     
    Mike Jacoubowsky, Mar 27, 2005
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  9. Robert Bobb

    Pete D Guest

    Yes, agree completely, IS on the big lens and at least a Bogen or similar
    tripod.
     
    Pete D, Mar 27, 2005
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  10. Robert Bobb

    Jim Redelfs Guest

    I got the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM. I expect the longer range would be
    nice. Image stabilization would be GREAT!
    This is what I got for my second lens. I REALLY used it for the "first" time
    only last evening. I haven't looked at the pics yet but I think it did an
    "OK" job. If you got something better, perhaps with IS, you might be happier.
    It isn't very bright and feels rather cheap. You should consider a nice
    tripod and remote release soon after your initial purchase. I already had a
    nice tripod but bought the release within a day or two of buying the camera.
    If you plan to remain a "hobbyist" and don't plan to do a lot of BURST
    shooting, I would get TWO, 1 GB Sandisk Ultra II cards. I bought ONE and,
    shooting RAW and LARGE JPEG, the camera indicates I have 77 frames with this
    card.
    I bought a second, Canon-brand battery and could probably have better spent
    the money toward a better, second lens. Admittedly, I usually use the hotshoe
    flash when taking flash photos, but the battery has exhibited GREAT capacity
    even when using the built-in flash A LOT.
    Save your money. I bought a Canon hard case for my AE1 (1979). I used it a
    couple of times before I tired of the "fight" to get it open in a hurry. I
    promptly quit using it and bought a nice, large Tarmac bag.
    I made my purchase over-the-counter at Nebraska Furniture Mart. I did AS GOOD
    as mail order (if comparing shipping charges to 7% total sales tax) with the
    factory kit (including lens) but could've saved MUCHO $$ had I bought the
    accessories on-line.

    I also bought, and recommend, the Canon Speedlite 580EX hotshoe flash.
    Despite some apparently widely-accepted performance shortcomings, I am
    generally satisfied with the unit. In any case, the 20D's built-in flash does
    an good job.
    Yours is the first reference I've heard of Cameta Camera so I have NO idea of
    their reputation. Given a purchase of this magnitude, I wouldn't let >$200
    price difference decide WHERE I buy the stuff.

    In any case, it sounds like you are on the right track.

    Good luck!
    :)
    JR
     
    Jim Redelfs, Mar 27, 2005
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  11. Robert Bobb

    Tumbleweed Guest

    Not necessarily.
    The IS on the walkabout lens will allow lots of subtle low-light shots.
    Great for grabbing candids.
    If the 75-300 is used for action shots then IS is next to useless.
    But if he could stretch to IS on both......
     
    Tumbleweed, Mar 27, 2005
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  12. Robert Bobb

    Alan Browne Guest

    The benefits of IS on a shorter lens should be obvious at low ISO at the
    end of the day.
     
    Alan Browne, Mar 27, 2005
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  13. It was an Amazon special offer a few weeks ago. It appears to be over.
    It will go to by a CF card.

    Also by using Amazon's Visa Card one get an additional rebate of about
    42 dollars.


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    John A. Stovall, Mar 27, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    I think the point was that if he was only getting it on one lens then it is
    probably better on the big lens, nice on both but not absolutely needed on
    either..
     
    Pete D, Mar 27, 2005
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    Musty Guest

    In sales, its called "upselling". Dont go for the kit. The only kit you
    should consider is the Canon body+lens kits. If you dont want kit lenses,
    then just get the body alone and the other accessories seperately. It will
    actually be cheaper.
     
    Musty, Mar 28, 2005
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  16. Seems mildly bass-ackward to have IS on the shorter lens rather than the
    Yeah, what he said!

    But it is interesting that there's a lot more talk about IS vs std lenses
    than there is discussion of tripods. Guess tripods are just a bit too
    mundane?

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
     
    Mike Jacoubowsky, Apr 1, 2005
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  17. Robert Bobb

    Skip M Guest

    Tripods are also bulky, tiresome to erect, difficult to use on some terrain,
    and not allowed in some venues. Plus, they limit mobility.
     
    Skip M, Apr 2, 2005
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  18. Robert Bobb

    Celtic Boar Guest

    They also make your pictures sharper, your range of usable shutter speeds
    greater, and a host of other benefits. They also force you to think about
    composition more than when you shoot from the hip.
     
    Celtic Boar, Apr 2, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Skip M wrote:

    OTOH you get low shutter speeds and crisper images. Considering the
    value of some of the lenses we use, it's a shame to waste the sharpness
    on slightly blurry images. A good tripod adapts well to uneven terrain.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Apr 2, 2005
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  20. Robert Bobb

    Skip M Guest

    I was just pointing out why tripods aren't always the be-all and end-all.
    Two of your comments are more than valid, or at least they are in my
    opinion. But the composition one is arguable at best. I've never seen a
    composition improved by using a tripod. I never "shoot from the hip,"
    whether freehand, on a tripod, or on a monopod. Or at least I don't when
    I'm serious about the result.
    And as far as my terrain statement, and your composition statement, let me
    give you an example. I was shooting a water fall in central California a
    few years ago. I had to stand on a small rock, in the middle of a small
    stream, crouch down and lean to one side to get the composition I wanted.
    There was absolutely no place to actually put the tripod which I had with
    me. But, because of my awkward, unstable position, IS was the only way I
    could have gotten the shot.
    And next time, please, when the replies are bottom posted, try to follow the
    format...
     
    Skip M, Apr 2, 2005
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