Compact and SLR???

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by jazu, Jun 10, 2006.

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    jazu Guest

    Is there any compact camera which can do as good pics as SLR?
    jazu, Jun 10, 2006
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    Ken Guest

    No. Image sensors in compact cameras are too small.
    Ken, Jun 10, 2006
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    Matt Ion Guest

    Depends on how you quantify "good" but in general, the answer is NO.
    SLRs have much larger sensors (physical size, not megapixel count),
    which means less noise in the image, and they TEND to have better optics
    (lens design/build) as well... plus if you don't find the optics good
    enough, you can always buy better and more expsensive lenses.
    Matt Ion, Jun 10, 2006
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    m Ransley Guest

    Well I bought my sony w5 from 1 review that stated "at iso100 it can do
    as well as a 20d'. I say alot of P&S can do as well as Slr in certain
    situations, like outdoor scenes. Just because they are small and have
    less features does not mean inferior, they are only limited. My sony w5,
    which is last years model I prefer over my old A1 with aspherical
    lenses. For everyday normal use a slr is to big and un needed.
    m Ransley, Jun 10, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Define "compact camera". At least one "point and shoot" has an APS-C sized
    J. Clarke, Jun 10, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Perhaps true to a degree, but I don't think that's what the guy is asking.

    To answer the OP...
    In a word: No.
    Tiny sensors are simply limited in what they can produce without noise
    (among other issues), and most lenses available for DSLRs will leave lenses
    on any compact camera in the dust in terms of what they are optically
    **capable** of, though as you imply, its the photog's job to use them to
    their full capability.
    Mark², Jun 11, 2006
  7. Of course you speak for yourself! ? No matter.

    It doesn't answer the OP's question, which you failed to quote.

    The answer is: No.
    John McWilliams, Jun 11, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    If you are talking about the SonyR1 then even with the bigger sensor it is
    not as good as any of the SLR's.
    Pete D, Jun 11, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    While the W5 takes good photos, they are not as good as any of the SLR's, to
    say they are is simply wrong.
    Pete D, Jun 11, 2006
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    Ken Guest

    (m Ransley) wrote in
    Which magazine was the review in?
    Ken, Jun 11, 2006
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    This old Bob Guest

    And small glass can't compete either.
    This old Bob, Jun 11, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    You mean it's not as good as the first generation of Kodak DSLR?
    J. Clarke, Jun 11, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Whoever wrote that review was either joking, or simply had no idea how to
    use a 20D to its potential.
    A lack of "Features" isn't the problem.
    Compacts actually tend to have MORE "features" than most DSLRs in terms of
    "features" that are recognizable to the public. I get a kick out of how
    many "modes" some point & shoot models advertise these days... I think there
    was one recently that boasted something like 30 shooting scene modes. -I
    can't imagine what "snapshooting" if I had to use some menu to select from a
    list of 30 modes every few shots(!).

    The reason they don't compare well has more to do with absolute limitations
    related to light gathering capabilities of smaller sensors, lenses, and the
    noise issues that are inherent in smaller photo sites. You can only amplify
    a signal so much before you lose to sensors which require less

    There are also many many other factors that are simply not possible on
    non-SLRs, like having both through-the lens optical viewfinders. The
    so-called "live viewfinders" that are LCD based ALWAYS have a delay, which
    means even if shutter lag is small, you're still going to have visual lag
    for fast action, or timing shots.

    That said, some people like some features which are impossible on a
    DSLR...such as live LCD preview. Personally, I don't want/need that, but
    some folks seem to.

    -But for a serious reviewer to equate the two in such general terms is just
    For your use...but don't confuse your preferences for generally "doing as
    It's just a poor comparison.

    Mark², Jun 11, 2006
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    Bob Williams Guest

    Depends on the DSLR and the P/S.
    Go to Steves Digicams Review site and compare the well respected 6MP
    Canon 10D DSLR with the equally well respected 8MP Sony DSC R1 or the
    8MP Panasonic FZ30, P/S cameras.

    Go to "Sample Pictures" and choose the Red Brick Building.
    Try to read the numbers on the Trash Dumpster.
    What is your conclusion?

    Bob Williams
    Bob Williams, Jun 11, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    The R1 is 10.3MP.

    Pete D, Jun 11, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    This is by definition true, but "both"?
    Uh, there's a delay while the mirror flips up too.
    Lets you use the non-SLR on a Steadicam among other things.
    Really depends on what you're doing.
    J. Clarke, Jun 11, 2006
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    l e o Guest

    More appropriate, depend on your need. If you take pictures in daytime
    or use tripod - most cameras will do just fine. If you need to take
    pictures of your child performing on stage, you need dSLR with fast lens.
    l e o, Jun 11, 2006
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    Petri Lopia Guest

    I'm not sure has anybody said this yet but it's the photographer who makes
    the photo. I have seen many many photos what are damn good and taken a lots
    of cheaper equipments than what I example have.

    So answer to the question "Is there any compact camera which can do as good pics as SLR?"
    Yes and no... if you are good photographer you take good photos with compact cameras too.
    Petri Lopia, Jun 11, 2006
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    Jim Sant Guest

    For most people who do not know anything about DSLR photography, most could
    create much better pictures out of the box with a "compact" point and shoot
    (PNS) digital. The reason for this is because the complexity of the DSLR is
    far beyond the expectations of all except those who are already very
    familiar with SLR photography and/or those who have really studied and
    understand and made great effort.

    With that said, if someone really knows how to use the DSLR, then the
    pictures availalbe from it can eclipse (surpass) the quality of PNS
    pictures. For one thing the DSLR usually has much lower noise ratings and
    the lenses can take in much more light. Look at the size of those lenses.
    The optic quality is frequently superior with good DSLR equipment and the
    greater range of control opens the door for better photography. All of this
    is only true if you know how to use it.

    If you know what you are doing with DSLR you can get better flash, more
    magnification, faster lenses (more light flow), bigger pixals (low noise),
    faster cycle time and it goes on and on. But, this will not happen out of
    the box and will take a couple of thousand dollars at least to put together
    the necessary equipment.

    After you do all of this you will find that a DSLR is not really fun to take
    to Disney World with the family or to the beach with the sand unless the
    sole reason for the trip is photography and nothing else. Too much bulk and
    worry. If you lug it on a cruise, maybe you could secure it but it is a
    target for theft. Therefore, you rapidly realize a good PNS camera is very
    effective as a little brother to augment your DSLR setup.

    Jim Sant, Jun 11, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Accidental extra word, there.
    (I changed the sentence structure, and forgot to zap that word...)
    Of course.
    No camera is completely free of delay, but the mirror flips up faster than
    you can blink in reaction.
    Mark², Jun 11, 2006
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