Compact, lightweight, ten times zoom AND viewfinder in one camera

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Robert Montgomery, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. Are there any compact, lightweight cameras that have both a good
    telephoto capability (i.e. ten times zoom) and a viewfinder?

    I can find compact, lightweight cameras with ten times zoom, and compact
    lightweight cameras with viewfinders.

    But I have yet to find a camera that has all of these characteristics:
    • compact
    • lightweight
    • has at least a seven times zoom lens AND
    • has a viewfinder.

    I can hardly see the image on the monitors of cameras on sunny days
    because of all the light and glare – both in shooting mode and playback
    mode.

    It seems to me that any camera lacking a viewfinder is a camera for
    amateurs. And I don't understand why even amateurs wouldn't be bothered
    by this problem.

    I can't understand why consumers don't demand viewfinders.

    I was even told by a clerk at a photography store that viewfinders are
    less frequent on the new cameras!

    Robert
     
    Robert Montgomery, Jul 21, 2010
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  2. ... or if you settle for less lightweight and less compact many DSLRs can
    be used with an 11x zoom (18-200mm) and have an optical viewfinder.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jul 21, 2010
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  3. Robert Montgomery

    ray Guest

    Look at an EVF. And keep in mind that 'compact' and 'long zoom' are, to a
    large extent, contradictory.
     
    ray, Jul 21, 2010
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  4. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    The LCD is a viewfinder, you can always use a collapsible
    hood to obviate the sun wash-out and glare.
     
    Irwell, Jul 21, 2010
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  5. Robert Montgomery

    Dave Cohen Guest

    My guess is they are (at least I am), but short of starting your own
    camera company what's to be done. I have to assume the stuff on the
    shelves does well in the market. Once you get away from the shirt pocket
    sizes there are some choices less expensive than G11 or DSLR.
     
    Dave Cohen, Jul 21, 2010
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  6. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    Forget "clerks in photography stores". Go down to Best Buy and look at
    what's on display. They should have at least two models with what you
    are looking for and may have others.

    Or if you are in or near NYC, go down to B&H.
     
    J. Clarke, Jul 21, 2010
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  7. Thanks, Savage.

    I recently bought a Samsung PL-150, which has a five times zoom. I
    bought it for the front monitor, which allows for self-portraits, but I
    find that it doesn't zoom enough and it lacks a viewfinder.

    Robert
     
    Robert Montgomery, Jul 21, 2010
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  8. Thanks, Irwell.

    Would a collapsible hood fit properly on all small digital cameras?

    Robert
     
    Robert Montgomery, Jul 21, 2010
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  9. Robert Montgomery, Jul 21, 2010
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  10. Olympus has two compact cameras, one with 26X and the new one, the
    SP-800UZ with 30X. They're larger than P & S and smaller than SLR's. I
    haven't looked at the specs for the 800UZ, but the older model has both
    live view and viewfinder. However, neither model has a mirror, so that
    makes them EVF cameras. Neither, as I'm sure you know, has
    interchangeable lenses.
     
    Alan Lichtenstein, Jul 21, 2010
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  11. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    They usually come with some sort of attaching
    bands, or you can just hold it against the LCD
    with one hand and the pressure of your eyesocket,
    a bonus is you will get a steadier picture than the
    usual 'arm-length' posture.
     
    Irwell, Jul 21, 2010
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  12. Robert Montgomery

    John Turco Guest

    Any "compact" digicam, featuring an optical zoom ratio of 10x, will be
    rather bulkier. In order to accommodate the longer focal length of the
    lens, the depth of the body (i.e., the front-to-back dimension), >must<
    be increased.

    Also, a 10x optical viewfinder would suffer severe parallax issues, as
    well as being a bit complex and cumbersome. Therefore, every "super zoom"
    model contains an electronic viewfinder ("EVF") -- which "sees" exactly
    what both the lens, and the image sensor, do.
    7x is quite the oddball, indeed! Below 10x, 3x is typical and 5x seems
    to be the only other option, even remotely common.
    Certain items exist (e.g., Delkin Devices "Pop-Up Shades"), to alleviate
    this problem. They're hinged, come in several sizes and colors (to fit
    different LCD screens and cameras) and are attached by self-adhesive
    strips.

    In July of 2009, at a local Wal-Mart store, I'd stumbled upon nine such
    Pop-Up Shades. Originally $9.97 USD each, but, clearance-priced at $1.

    Thus, I bought 'em all; I've never applied any of them, however.
    That's been the tendency, these past few years. Today, the large LCD
    VF is dominant, and it occupies the majority of a given digicam's back
    panel.

    Good luck and happy hunting, Robert!
     
    John Turco, Jul 22, 2010
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  13. Robert Montgomery

    whisky-dave Guest

    I thought the pen EP1 or EP2 had that ability or you could add a viwfinder
    as an option.
     
    whisky-dave, Jul 22, 2010
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  14. Robert Montgomery

    John Turco Guest


    My latest digicam is a Kodak Z780, with a 24x optical zoom lens. It's
    so big, it has room for both an EVF >and< a 3" LCD!
     
    John Turco, Aug 16, 2010
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  15. Robert Montgomery

    SMS Guest

    There are none available anymore.
    Indeed, the lack of an optical viewfinder is a huge disadvantage.
    It's not that they're not bothered by it, but those amateurs have all
    switched to digital SLRs that do have an OVF.

    An EVF is an acceptable compromise, and most of the ZLRs have an EVF,
    but ZLRs are not all that popular because they offer a physical size
    close to that of an SLR, while not providing the significant advantages
    of a DSLR.
    It's a race to the bottom by the manufacturers who market megapixels and
    LCD sizes. To add the cost of an OVF (which also takes up space where a
    larger LCD could be placed) is not something they want to do.

    "http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php" provides an easy way
    to filter out different criteria you're looking for.

    If you select "6x-9x" or "10x-14x" under "optical zoom," and tick the
    box for "optical/electronic viewfinder" there are no results until you
    also tick the box for "Show discontinued models."

    Such is life. The popularity and fall in prices of D-SLRs have allowed
    the camera manufacturers to decontent the P&S cameras.
     
    SMS, Aug 16, 2010
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  16. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    There maybe hope if this comes about:
    http://www.epson.jp/e/products/device/htps/application/evf.htm
     
    Irwell, Aug 16, 2010
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  17. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    J. Clarke, Aug 16, 2010
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  18. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    No the making of smaller profile EVFs
    Maybe I got it wrong but it seems to imply that the Epson
    technology will results in a smaller profile EVF suitable
    for P&S.
    My present Panasonic G1 has the usual
    hump rather like the SLR viewfinder.
    6 years ago I had a Panasonic FZ20 with an EVF - similar profile. The
    present range of Interchangeable lens P&S's like the EPL1 from Olympus
    have an optional EVF ()that plugs into the hot shoe, still bulky
    and fairly expensive.

    So if the EVF technology from Epson can result in a smaller
    profile with a good EVF for P&S cameras it will be welcomed
    by a lot of users, I should think.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
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  19. Robert Montgomery

    dj_nme Guest

    An EVF still takes up volume in side the camera, the screen can only be
    made so small and the optics required needs an amount of space (for the
    lenses themselves and focusing distance) to magnify that screen so that
    you can see it clearly.
    That's because of the physical space requirements of an EVF mechanism.
    A smaller screen (inside the EVF) means more lenses to magnify it up so
    that it isn't like looking into a small, dark tunnel and the optics are
    designed properly so that there is no distortion or colour smearing.
    The trade-off is either 1) smaller screen and more optics or 2)bigger
    screen and simpler optics, both of which take up space/volume.
     
    dj_nme, Aug 17, 2010
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  20. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    Thanks for replying,
    A blurb from the Epson page seems to imply pretty small dimensions can
    be realised:maybe some sort of folded optics can reduce the space required
    for focusing the magnifying lens.
    Epson's ULTIMICRON SVGA panel has 1.44M pixels within it's 0.47 inch
    diagonal size, and it is also able to render rich gray scales and natural
    defocusing through the analog driven liquid crystal technololgy.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
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