Compact, lightweight, ten times zoom AND viewfinder in one camera

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Robert Montgomery, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    Nikon, Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, and several others have been making
    cameras with EVFs for more than a decade now. You're acting like this
    is something new and revolutionary. It isn't.

    Cameras that have them are invariably larger than other cameras in the
    same manufacturer's product line.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
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  2. Robert Montgomery

    SMS Guest

    Perhaps his point is that the Epson device will allow higher quality
    EVFs. The present EVFs are not all that great in terms of quality,
    though they're good enough to frame the picture. Not as good as an OVF
    to be sure, but adequate.
     
    SMS, Aug 17, 2010
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  3. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    I know that, I have owned them, still do actually.
    The miniaturisation that Epson is touting is the new and
    revolutionary aspect that I am interested in, maybe your know something
    we don't!>
    Not in the camcorder game, they seem to have gone smaller.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
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  4. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    THanks for a voice of sanity in this discussion.
    The 'optical' viewfinder on my Sony W300 is not
    perfect by any means, but it sure beats having to
    squint at an LCD in bright sunlight.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
    #24
  5. There should be very little limit to miniaturization. Have you ever looked
    through a Leeuwenhoek style microscope? I used to make them as a child by
    melting filaments of glass in an alcohol burner. It consists of nothing but
    one tiny spherical lens a couple millimeters in diameter, its distance to
    subject less than a millimeter. Yet it can image objects as small as
    bacteria. I'm guessing that the only size limitations to date are the
    backlit LCD displays available. If those are made smaller the whole EVF
    assembly could take up the size of half a postage stamp.

    Then too, camera mfg's have failed to explore the viability of a wireless
    HUD for an electronic viewfinder. Their and our loss.
    Please, only type in definitives about things you actually know. I'm sick
    and tired of all of you pretending to know things for which you have no
    experience nor knowledge which are patently false.
     
    Superzooms Still Win, Aug 17, 2010
    #25
  6. Talking out of your ass again? You lousy pretend photographer troll.
     
    Outing Trolls is FUN!, Aug 17, 2010
    #26
  7. That "sanity" is coming from a well known resident role-playing troll who
    has never used one camera in his lifetime. If you want some more of this
    person's "sanity", I suggest you read this outlandish story he also
    psychotically invented and posts for attention.

    <http://www.wifi-forum.com/wf/showpost.php?p=448381&postcount=101>
     
    Outing Trolls is FUN!, Aug 17, 2010
    #27
  8. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    What's new and revolutionary about a half inch EVF?
    You know of a camcorder that does _not_ have an EVF?
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
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  9. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    The resolution is the only thing new about the Epson and it does not
    appear to be any better than what Panasonic is already shipping in their
    latest models.

    Have fun with that optical finder on a 10x superzoom.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
    #29
  10. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    Go down to Best Buy and look at what they have in stock. They should
    have at least one model from Canon and one from Nikon that have what you
    are asking for. However they will not be pocket sized unless you are
    Captain Kangaroo.

    Consumers don't demand viewfinders because they want snapshot cameras
    that are compact and don't make a bulge in their clothing or take up
    much space in their purse.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
    #30
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    No problem with an optical finder and an 11:1 zoom on my camera, but it
    does use a mirror to allow such a feat! I find it relatively compact and
    relatively lightweight, but it's not a "compact" camera.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Aug 17, 2010
    #31
  12. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    NO! but that does not negate the statement that camcorders
    have gotten smaller and still retain their EVF's.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
    #32
  13. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest


    A much better approach is to go to DPreview.com/ then look at buying
    guide/Camera feature search/scroll down to viewfinder and enter your
    requirements.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
    #33
  14. Robert Montgomery

    SMS Guest

    Many of the new flash based camcorders have only an LCD.
     
    SMS, Aug 17, 2010
    #34
  15. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    The question is not whether electronic devices have gotten smaller. The
    issue is that devices with EVFs remain larger than devices offering
    otherwise equivalent functionality that do not have them. Engineering
    101--2 devices take up more space than 1 device.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
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  16. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    Engineering 201-3 VLSI.
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
    #36
  17. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    On a VLSI chip, 2 devices still take up more space than 1 device.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
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  18. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    So what has now happened to your equivalent functionality?
     
    Irwell, Aug 17, 2010
    #38
  19. Robert Montgomery

    J. Clarke Guest

    I don't understand your question. A VLSI chip that incorporates an EVF
    will be larger than one that does not but otherwise offers equivalent
    functionality.
     
    J. Clarke, Aug 17, 2010
    #39
  20. Robert Montgomery

    Irwell Guest

    Not if the 'equivalent functionality' has been arrived at by
    newer technology that makes that part of the circuitry much smaller,
    as in the Epson Technology.
     
    Irwell, Aug 18, 2010
    #40
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