Composition

Discussion in 'Photography' started by J, Dec 19, 2011.

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    Savageduck Guest

    Yup! I was aware of that issue. The alley in question is quite a tight
    space, with only about 4ft. between the walls. The second shot I
    cropped from a shot where I was trying to shoot a section of the length
    of the wall.
    I might revisit the shot and see if I can make some perspective tweaks
    in CS5, or perhaps just reshoot the section with the camera
    perpendicular to the wall. Again, standing with my back to the opposite
    wall the distance between lens and wall would probably be somewhere
    around 36-40 inches.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 26, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    My 10.5 would be perfect for that situation. Although it is a semi-fisheye
     
    PeterN, Dec 26, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    I was thinking of using my Tokina 11-16mm on a reshoot. That was shot
    with the Nikkor 18-200mm @ 35mm as an attempt to be as "normal" as
    possible with the D300s. I might have fared better with my 35mm. I
    suspect that the same shot taken perpendicular with the 11-16mm would
    require some distortion correction. I have a lens correction profile
    for the 11-16mm, but I think it might need more than that.

    I guess I have a new mission. ;-)
     
    Savageduck, Dec 26, 2011
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    J Guest

    Was perusing your shots, again Tony....'I love this shot. The subject is so
    sharp and the blurring effect is not only behind the guy, but even his hand
    is blurred in front of him. It makes the shot look even more 3-dimensional,
    and the colours are fantastic. It really is a great capture, but I'm curious
    as to which lens you used to grab this one? Bikers always make for great
    photography, but they can be temperamental in my experiences of them.
    Fantastic biker gallery!

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Bikers/i-fbk2F8j/0/O/2010-04-24-22.jpg

    J
     
    J, Dec 26, 2011
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2011-12-25 16:10:55 -0800, Robert Coe <> said:
    :
    : > On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:12:37 -0800, Savageduck
    : > : On 2011-12-25 10:14:57 -0800, PeterN <> said:
    : > :
    : > : > On 12/24/2011 9:36 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    : > : >> On 2011-12-24 18:11:25 -0800, PeterN <> said:
    : > : <<< Le Snip >>>
    : > :
    : > :
    : > : >> I forgot to comment: That is a nice abstract pattern. Happy to see you
    : > : >>> expanding outside of pure street. with many shots I like to put a
    : > : >>> slight vignette around the edges.
    : > : >>
    : > : >> Peter, here is a somewhat abstract pattern with a bit of a college town
    : > : >> flavor for you to ponder.
    : > : >> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC0232Gw2.jpg >
    : > : >>
    : > : >>
    : > : >
    : > : > I'm iffy on this image. The red, I'll call it a curtain, on the right
    : > : > keeps drawing my eye.
    : > :
    : > : The red is actually the corner edge of the wall. Here is a shot without
    : > : that corner, giving it a somewhat "Pollockesque" result.
    : > : < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0227Gw2.jpg >
    : >
    : > If that one were shot straight-on, I might like it better than the first one
    : > you posted. But it appears to have been shot at a shallow angle, which screws
    : > up the size L to R and introduces a (real or illusionary) DOF issue. Maybe
    : > some would like it that way, but I find it disconcerting.
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    : Yup! I was aware of that issue. The alley in question is quite a tight
    : space, with only about 4ft. between the walls. The second shot I
    : cropped from a shot where I was trying to shoot a section of the length
    : of the wall.
    : I might revisit the shot and see if I can make some perspective tweaks
    : in CS5, or perhaps just reshoot the section with the camera
    : perpendicular to the wall. Again, standing with my back to the opposite
    : wall the distance between lens and wall would probably be somewhere
    : around 36-40 inches.

    Sounds as though it calls for a stepped pano. Where's DMac when we need him?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 26, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    Thank you for the comments. That image was shot with the Nikon 55/200
    kit lens that came with my D40. I may have used my D60 body, though.
    Now I primarily shoot a Nikkor 35mm f/1.8 which makes me shoot from
    closer-up, but I keep the 55/200 on a second body in the bag.

    I've found bikers to be show-offs and very happy to be photographed.
    If there's a problem, it's usually because the biker wants to pose,
    and I prefer to catch them as a candid.

    I've only had one problem with bikers. I stopped at a bar that had a
    bunch of bikers standing around the parking lot and walked up with my
    camera around my neck. Turns out it was a gang outing with a couple
    of members standing guard turning away non-members. I was politely,
    but firmly, told that no photos were allowed.

    I read postings here about police trying to stop photographers from
    taking photographs, and people insisting on their rights, but -
    believe me - when a biker gang member tells you "No photographs",
    that's all there is to it. No argument. No turning away and snapping
    one from the car window on the way out. My Toyota can't outrun a
    Harley.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 26, 2011
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    J Guest

    LOL! Great story Tony! Yeah, those bikers really 'are' the law! I'd never
    argue with them over an unwanted shoot!

    I'm gonna have to re-think my lens options here, I really like the look of
    that 50/200 and not an expensive piece of kit by any means. I hate when I
    spend more money than I should, then buy a lens that just doesn't live up
    to it's price tag...'mostly Canon lenses though! :) I think the lower-end
    Nikon lenses are a lot sharper.

    J
     
    J, Dec 26, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    Try this! ;-)

    <http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Voyeur-Right-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0027IGDQ8>
     
    PeterN, Dec 26, 2011
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    gordo Guest

    I was referring to the wall in Post Alley in Seattle just south of the Pike
    Place Market. It is well known locally but probably not nationally. I wonder
    how many "gum walls" there are around the US. Now I know of two.

    Regards,

    Gordo

    "Savageduck" wrote in message

    That is the notorious "Bubblegum" Alley wall near "Mother's Tavern" on
    Higuera Street in downtown San Luis Obispo, California. If you know
    SLO, it lies on the block bounded by Broad & Garden streets.
     
    gordo, Dec 26, 2011
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    J Guest

    So that's how the pros do it?! :) It's one way of getting that 'forbidden'
    shot I suppose. Do you actually use one of these? I've seen them before but
    never thought they would be part of a professional photographer's
    kit...'maybe I was wrong? I suppose it has it's uses in street photography,
    but what about quality of shot? You'd need to crop out the 'black circle' as
    well.
    And...'what do you say when someone asks you "what's that hole for"? :) lol.

    J
     
    J, Dec 26, 2011
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    OG Guest

    It's worth checking the Amazon reviews. No great!
     
    OG, Dec 26, 2011
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    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : > Try this! ;-)
    : >
    : > <http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Voyeur-Right-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0027IGDQ8>
    : >
    : >
    : > --
    : > Peter
    :
    : So that's how the pros do it?! :) It's one way of getting that 'forbidden'
    : shot I suppose. Do you actually use one of these? I've seen them before but
    : never thought they would be part of a professional photographer's
    : kit...'maybe I was wrong? I suppose it has it's uses in street photography,
    : but what about quality of shot? You'd need to crop out the 'black circle' as
    : well.
    : And...'what do you say when someone asks you "what's that hole for"? :) lol.

    "In normal operation a lens gathers more light than it actually needs to take
    the picture. The hole allows this extra light to get out without overheating
    the camera."

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 26, 2011
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    J Guest

    Hmm! :)

    J
     
    J, Dec 26, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    Many years ago I bought one from Spiratone. It was spotted the first
    time I used it. Haven't a clue where it is.
    BTW I am far from being a pro.
     
    PeterN, Dec 26, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    The principal is similar to the can of Florida sunshine they sell at
    gifts shops. It allows you to take the sunshine home with you.
     
    PeterN, Dec 26, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    I use the quick shift approach to candid photography. If my subject
    is about 10 yards from me straight ahead, I point the lens to
    something about 10 yards to my left. At the last second, I quickly
    shift to the subject and snap and then shift back to the left.

    So far, I've never been caught out. It's best to practice with little
    old ladies pushing walkers, and then progress to burly bikers.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 26, 2011
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    J Guest

    I have a friend who is a pro in as much as 'he does it for a living' :) but
    he doesn't take amazing photos like you guys do. To my mind you are the
    'real' pros in that you do it for the love of it and you do it better than
    anyone I've ever seen before. I look at all your photos when I can and every
    time I do, I learn something. My friend who is a full-time photographer is
    more into weddings and public events with the odd catalog and model shoot,
    but he's not the arty type and goes about his job in a rather mundane sorta
    way. He's good at what he does, but you guys are more interesting!

    J
     
    J, Dec 27, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    Thank you.
    Don't knock your friend's, work. A successful event and product
    photographer requires a different skill set. Earning a living in
    photography is tough, especially when everybody thinks uncle Joe can
    easily do the wedding.
     
    PeterN, Dec 27, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    The professional photographer takes photographs that please other
    people. We amateurs take photographs to please ourselves.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 27, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    If you are ever in this area, feel free to photograph the "gum table"
    at our house. It is where my son and daughter stuck their gum under
    the kitchen table when they were (I hope) younger.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 27, 2011
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