Concise Advice from the Beeb

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Dave, Jan 10, 2005.

  1. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Good, concise advice from the BBC at this page:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2780295.stm>

    Guide to shooting a Photo Essay

    Photos:
    Ideally you should aim to take a variety of photographs - it's a good
    idea to plan the story before you start. A good first photo would be
    one that introduces the subject to the readers.

    Makes sure you take some close-up photos as well as some wider
    pictures to show the subject's environment but remember to include
    something in the foreground to add impact.

    When you take the picture, remember to look up or down to see what's
    around you. You might get a better shot if you kneel, or find a
    position to look down from.

    8<==================[end of quote]==================>8

    I think I might take up their offer. They must get so many photos
    submitted that only something with instant impact would stand a chance
    of being successful.

    Dave.


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    Dave, Jan 10, 2005
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    Zico Guest

    Zico, Jan 10, 2005
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  3. Dave

    me Guest

    This is new?
    They give what in return?
    Sign,
    me
     
    me, Jan 10, 2005
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  4. Dave

    Dave Guest

    What a cynical lot some of you are. Why does something have to be new?
    Some say there's nothing new under the sun, a sentiment which often
    rings true for me.

    And why do you have to get something back in return? Maybe I'm a
    stupid old hippy, giving all my work away for free...

    There are lots of new visitors to alt.photography who would do well to
    realise that a photograph can be improved by simply moving a few
    paces, or indeed by kneeling down.

    The title of this newsgroup implies that it's for general photographic
    interest but too often IMHO it's populated by professional
    photographers doing boring stuff like babies and weddings etc, who are
    obsessed with silver halide chemistry and disdain anything digital.

    Personally, I consider the message to be more important than the media
    used to convey it.

    end of rant

    Dave.


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    Scotland. Also 3D rendered art & altered images.
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    Dave, Jan 12, 2005
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  5. Dave

    brian Guest


    Well said that stupid old hippy.

    If its the Beeb, then I think I pay enough every year for my T.V license
    without freely giving them my best works to boot. I would love to make money
    form my photography, but for now I am happy to just shoot and shoot and
    shoot.

    Mostly the advice and answers given here are helpful, and someone who feels
    their photos just don't have "IT" can suddenly be given renewed passion, by
    someone simply suggesting that he/she, try "simply moving a few paces, or
    indeed by kneeling down"

    There are many people on here who give good and helpful advice to newbie's
    and indeed to some of us not so newbie's, but there are also a few who think
    they know it all and so should everyone else, and anyone who doesn't know
    should be stood up against a wall and shot. Thankfully those are few and far
    between, but their biting comments can put a newbie off, so we must continue
    to scan the questions and answer when we can, to assure newbie's that it is
    a worthwhile and fulfilling hobby, whether its digital or, as someone once
    called film photography, "analogue".

    There are a few die hard chemical fans around, who think digital is the
    spawn of the devil, but digital has its place and is now an acceptable form
    of photography that is growing in popularity, and hopefully the pricing will
    fall to a level where I will also be able to join the ranks of the digital
    SLR movement, But I still love darkroom working, and will probably keep
    doing it even after I go digital.

    A good photo is what we all strive for whether its taken digitally,
    analogueally?, or using a 19th century large format camera with glass plates
    and gunpowder flash that takes an hour to expose.

    'One picture is worth ten thousand words', Frederick R. Barnard in
    Printer's Ink, 8 Dec 1921 retelling a Chinese proverb. says it all really.

    Brian............................
     
    brian, Jan 12, 2005
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  6. Dave

    me Guest

    Well said Brian. If the digital vs film gambit was raised in the OP I'm
    afraid I missed it, but let my inflamatory salutation feed the flames. ;-)
    Film best,
    me
     
    me, Jan 12, 2005
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  7. Dave

    brian Guest

    Don't tell anyone I said it, but I agree, dig good, film best, LOL

    Brian.......................
     
    brian, Jan 12, 2005
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    Mike Kohary Guest

    Well said. Photography is not a technical exercise, it is an art. I do
    "boring" stuff like portraits and weddings to pay the bills (though I find
    ways to have fun with that too, or else I'd go insane - why would anyone do
    what they don't like?), but the best times come in wandering around a place
    by yourself with just your camera at your side, and letting inspiration help
    you see things differently through the lens.

    The technical stuff is interesting, and certainly an understanding of it is
    helpful. But it seems that some photographers feel that's as far as it
    goes, and that there are only certain ways to do things "right". There is
    no right or wrong in that viewpoint necessarily, but I pity the artist who
    stops at being a technician - it's limiting, and they probably don't know
    what they're missing. My best photography happens when I'm not even
    thinking about my technique or my equipment or its , when things are just
    coming to me. That's also when I am most rewarded with the exhileration
    that comes with capturing moments in time.

    What does one get out of entering a contest? Feedback. Recognition. Just
    the satisfaction of knowing that people are looking at your photograph.
    It's fun. It's also cool to go to the contest and look at the other
    entries. I usually think many other pictures are better than mine, and it
    inspires me with new ideas. :) If you must have money for it, maybe you're
    more of a businessman than a photographer.

    Hey "me", when do we get a look at some of your photographs? Almost
    everyone else here has shared. None of us are Ansel Adams, and that's ok.
    What about you? Can you point us to some of your work?
     
    Mike Kohary, Jan 13, 2005
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  9. Dave

    me Guest

    If you're asking me if I "must have money" my opinion is that the BBC can
    afford it. If you think I'm "more of a businessman than a photographer"
    (insult?) I say not necessarily. If I were to give my work away for free it
    would be for a worthy cause. If I were to barter for my work in exchange for
    recognition I would negotiate a contract, not enter a contest. IMO too many
    people give their work away for even the vaguest chance of recognition, this
    devalues all photography.
    Why?

    Closing thoughts: Art is my passion. Technology is my tool. Film is my
    canvas and the most honest (best) reflection of the world.
    Film best,
    me
     
    me, Jan 13, 2005
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  10. Dave

    Dave Guest

    [snip]
    What use are photographs if they're unseen? I took the pragmatic view
    and made my stuff free for non-commercial use. For commercial use I
    will charge and have twice got £200 for images.
    WTF not?
    So does that mean that the only way we'll get to see your pictures is
    to see prints in a gallery, or to buy prints without so much as seeing
    a thumbnail.

    Come on, give us a glimpse of this passionate art!

    Dave.

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    Dave, Jan 13, 2005
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  11. Dave

    me Guest

    I answered that here:
    I'm sure I couldn't say.
    If you place no value on it then no one will but it's your property, your
    choice.
    I'm new? Not as new as you are to this NG (an insignificant, miniscule point
    but you brought it up). I thought the BBC said something about a photo
    essay? Now if you had said something about moving, kneeling etc then that
    would be a whole different story. ;-)
    Boring yes.
    Obsessed? Not necessairly. Disdain digital, "WTF not?"
    Agreed. Except when the message is said as digital art masquerading as
    photography
    In this particular post.
    Film best,
    me
     
    me, Jan 14, 2005
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  12. Dave

    me Guest

    Well WTF should I?
    That wouldn't bother me in the least.
    What's it worth to you?
    Film best,
    me
     
    me, Jan 14, 2005
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  13. Dave

    Mike Kohary Guest

    It's not an insult; there's nothing wrong with being a businessman or a
    primarily commercial artist. What I'm saying is: to each his own. There's
    no point in questioning someone else's motives, unless you're trying to tear
    someone else down to build yourself up in your own mind, which is what you
    often appear to be doing in this newsgroup. You shouldn't be so surprised
    when people naturally take offense to such boorish behavior.
    It doesn't. You're being unnecessarily judgemental. Like I said, most
    people do it just for fun.
    Because I'd like to see your work. Are you willing to show it?
    Good up to this point...
    ....and then you undo it all with this statement, by imposing your artistic
    judgement on others, the surest sign of an insecure artist. This is why no
    one here takes you seriously, so don't wonder why.
     
    Mike Kohary, Jan 14, 2005
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    grol Guest

    Well you seem to preach alot about how film is superior. You also regularly mock
    digital users by calling them digital dullards. Well, it's time to call your
    bluff. Put out the goods dude. Show us some of your superior non-dullard
    photography. A URL where we can all critique you superior work is indeed called
    for.

    grol
     
    grol, Jan 14, 2005
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  15. Dave

    grol Guest

    Prediction: "me" won't have what it takes to front up with some pics, will flat
    out refuse or make some excuse why he cannot.
     
    grol, Jan 14, 2005
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  16. Dave

    me Guest

    Do you double dare me or triple dare me?. Grow up.
    Film ____,
    me
     
    me, Jan 14, 2005
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  17. Dave

    me Guest

    Punks travel in gangs because they're cowards.
    Sign,
    me
     
    me, Jan 14, 2005
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  18. Dave

    grol Guest

    Says the guy who calls himself "me" and won't show anyone his non-dullard "art".
     
    grol, Jan 14, 2005
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  19. Dave

    grol Guest

    I'm simply saying, put up or shut up. You are quick to disrespect anyone who
    uses digital, yet obviously have no "art", as you call it, of your own that's
    any better. Seems the jig is up for "me".

    As far as growing up, try it yourself. Restrain yourself from name-calling for 5
    minutes.
     
    grol, Jan 14, 2005
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  20. Dave

    me Guest

    Lets just say we disagree and leave it at that.
    I think you are, judgemental that is.
    Of course you would.
    What do you think?
    "Others", "imposing", "judgement", those words sound paranoid to me. I spoke
    only of my own feelings and beliefs.
    But of course.
    "No one here" That statement tells me that peer acceptance is very important
    to you, well it's not to me. And if no one takes me seriously that's OK too,
    it won't change a thing.
    Sign,
    me
     
    me, Jan 14, 2005
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