Copy from Camera to DVD directly?

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Fadel Ibrahim, Dec 22, 2003.

  1. I have some edited films on Mini DV tape and Premiere 6.5 and would like to
    transfer them to DVD. Can I copy the film in my camera to the DVD Burner in
    my PC without first transferring the film to the hard disc?
    Thanks and regards
    Fadel
     
    Fadel Ibrahim, Dec 22, 2003
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  2. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Short answer is no.

    Long answer is DVDs use the MPEG-2 format (not the same as DV), so to be
    able to view your DVDs then the video has to be run through a codec,
    which is included within (or as a plug-in) your video editor.

    Domestic DVD recorders (not PC-based) will allow you to output from your
    camcorder directly via the analogue output into the domestic DVD
    recorder.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  3. Fadel Ibrahim

    Moonshine Guest

    Yes, there are several programs that will do that for you so long as your PC is
    powerful enough. A P4 2G or better would be a good estimate of minimum
    satisfactory platform.

    There are a few here...

    http://www.dvdplusrw.org/Article.asp?mid=14&sid=18&aid=29
     
    Moonshine, Dec 22, 2003
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  4. Fadel Ibrahim

    Keith Laws Guest

    Or by firewire now.
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 22, 2003
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  5. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    If you're talking about DVD-VR format, then I think that you'll find
    that the programs use the hard disk as a buffer. They have to do this
    since converting from DV --> MPEG-2 --> VOB requires more time than DVD
    write-speed allows.

    I think you'll find that it takes considerably more than 60 minutes to
    burn a 1-hour tape to DVD - which sort of says it all :)

    They do indeed do it seamlessly, though.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  6. Fadel Ibrahim

    Moonshine Guest

    Hi Tony, Have you actually used any of these programs? I have and generally they
    work well

    Of course they use the hard disc as a buffer it would be pretty amazing given
    this amount and speed of data if they didn't. The issue though is that it is not
    necesary to first transfer ALL the DV material to HD, then encode and then burn.
    Which in practice is likely to take 60min+120min+20min=3hr20min (on a good
    system)

    No it does not take considerably more than 60 minutes to burn a DV tape to DVD
    using this method, the "buffer time" is less than a minute and there is a small
    bit of finishing off menu writing at the end so takes about 62 minutes in total
    to have a working DVD.
     
    Moonshine, Dec 23, 2003
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  7. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Perhaps you'd care to tell me which of these programs that *you* have
    used?
    Perhaps you could let us all know which particular program you are
    referring to? "One of these programs" is not helpful.

    Any program that can render from DVD to MPEG-2 as fast as you've
    experienced - and then convert to VOB must be truly remarkable. I
    haven't encountered a codec that can render anything as fast as the
    program that you are using. I've never even heard of anything that fast,
    so I'd really appreciate it if you could identify it. How much did it
    cost?

    It would be really useful to me because I archive all my finished movies
    to miniDV tape and your program would save me many hours.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 24, 2003
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  8. Fadel Ibrahim

    Moonshine Guest

    Hi Tony,

    Sure, I have tried several including..

    MedioStream neoDVD 4
    Ulead DVD MovieFactory 2.0
    Roxio Easy CD and DVD Creator 6
    &
    Ahead NeroVision Express 2

    All these will do direct DV to DVD creation on the fly as per the information on
    the link http://www.dvdplusrw.org/Article.asp?mid=14&sid=18&aid=29

    Take a look at the info from the various links from the one above

    Here is the relevant line from the data sheet for NeroVision Express 2

    Disc recording with realtime MPEG-2 encoder**
    **minimum system requirements: Pentium™ IV 1,4 GHz

    Here's the info for Roxio DVD Creator

    Q. How does DVD Builder compare with other DVD Authoring applications on the
    market?
    A. DVD Builder provides a compact user interface that lets one drag and drop,
    edit, and preview content in a single view, making it fast and easy to create a
    custom movie in quick, easy steps. For example, removing unwanted video scenes
    or arranging a collection of photo slide shows. It also features a multi-menu,
    multi-storyboard "workshop" that provides a great deal of flexibility in not
    only arranging scenes in your movies and slide shows but also the menus they are
    attached to. DVD Builder also can record video directly to DVD+RW discs using
    the +VR direct to disc technology, a feature not available in many competitive
    products. Finally, DVD Builder is part of the Roxio Digital Media Suite, so one
    can, for example, drag a music track from Audio Central's Media Library and drop
    it onto a movie or photo slide show in DVD Builder.

    I think you get the idea!

    I suggest it is time for you to open your eyes to what is out there and not just
    rely on your own assumptions of what is now possible.

    DVD's produced by the software above should have the same compatability
    performance as disc's produced in the Stand alone DVD+RW recorders.
     
    Moonshine, Dec 24, 2003
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  9. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, Moonshine

    Snipped much sales blurb....
    And I'd suggest that you answer the question. Here, I'll make it a bit
    plainer....

    Which program are *you* using that reads, converts and writes miniDV off
    the camcorder to DVD disk as quickly as you say. (60m of miniDV video in
    62m) ?

    Please try to be specific and not just give links to (and repeat here)
    sales blurb.

    I have personally tried neoDVD (a complete waste of the £30 I paid for
    it). The quality was crap, and a 40 minute movie took 1h 15m to burn.

    And Ulead products are all crap, with the exception of DVD Studio which
    is hugely overpriced for what it does.

    All on a 2GHz PC with 512M DDR memory with BTW.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 24, 2003
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  10. Fadel Ibrahim

    Moonshine Guest

    And you wonder why you get peoples backs up!

    I've got nothing to sell!

    I've used ALL the programs I stated.

    All produced real time DVD's from a DV stream.

    Granted some are better or worse than others, I've also tried CyberLink
    PowerProducer 2 didn't bother mentioning before it because it was a nightmare.

    The best of the bunch is either Ulead or Nero.

    Sorry if your experience was not as good as mine, but don't just assume because
    you've had no joy everyone else won't.

    I'm running a 2.2G P4 with 512M 1066M Rambus to a Ricoh5125 drive.

    P.S. this is my final post on the issue in this thread.
     
    Moonshine, Dec 24, 2003
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  11. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION !!!

    Post by post you're demonstrating that you're full of bullshit.
    THEN WHICH ONE BURNS A 60 MINUTE MiniDV MOVIE FROM CAMCORDER TO DVD IN
    62 MINUTES.?
    They why not give us the benefit of your extensive experience and
    knowledge? - but please don't cop-out as you have so far - BE SPECIFIC.
    Which version of Nero? I've got V6 and it certainly won't pass-through
    from miniDV to DVD. And as anyone who's used Ulead's products knows the
    video quality is poor (except for DVD Workshop). AFAIK none of Ulead's
    products will pass-through from camcorder to DVD - how about telling us
    which one does?
    Since you won't (or more likely can't) can't answer the question, you
    clearly have NO experience whatsoever.
    Thought it might be, since you're demonstrating by your failure to give
    any information other than sales blurb and bullshit that you're losing
    credibility post by post..

    I thought that you'd cop-out. You haven't answered the question, so it's
    clear that you're clueless and have little or no experience.

    I like your nick BTW.... Moonshine is very apt, judging by your
    utterances here :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 24, 2003
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  12. Fadel Ibrahim

    Lost Soul Guest

    I see nothing much has changed since the last time I looked in here! lol

    Merry Christmas everyone :)
     
    Lost Soul, Dec 25, 2003
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  13. With Movie factory 2 it's possible to burn a DVD straight from camcorder: I
    do it quite often (as Moonshine too !). But to be honest it depends of the
    speed of your system: if it is not fast enough, a buffering will occur on
    the HDD, but you have nothing to do your self :With my rather slow PC
    (850MHz) and slow burner (1x with DVD-RW) a 10 min camcorder transfer will
    last apron 15 min. That means that during the 5 min after the scope has been
    stop Movie Factory continues to transfer to the burner. The DVD plays
    without problem in stand-alone DVD players and the quality is the same as
    transferring DV to AVI then MPGeg2, then Nero (or Movie Factory 2 !) and to
    the burner. Of course no editing, no menu, no chapter nor add music or
    comment. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE AND WORK GREAT
     
    Jacques Ciana, Dec 28, 2003
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  14. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Based on your recommendation. I am at this very moment downloading Movie
    Factory 2.

    If it works as fast as you suggest (or better with my 2GHz/512DDR
    system) and provides the same quality as I currently obtain with Nero 6
    then it will be good value at £32.50.

    If it doesn't then I'll be extremely pissed-off at you for wasting my
    money :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 28, 2003
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  15. Er - I thought Ulead gave you a 30 day free trial......

    I'm a great fan of Movie Factory - although I still use v1. It's
    MPEG rendering isn't the best out there, but for the price is
    remarkable.

    Regards,
    Harry.
     
    Harry Broomhall, Dec 28, 2003
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  16. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Looking at the "comparisons" page on the Ulead site, some of the
    functionality of the free trial (in fact in all but the full version)
    are crippled.
    Anyway, I am pissed off. All it's done is prove (once again) that
    Ulead's products are a heap of poo (with the possible exception of DVD
    Workshop).

    A 20 min archived master (on miniDV tape) has taken 37 minutes to burn a
    DVD-R. And the quality is poor in every way, colour saturation,
    resolution and worse, there's artefacts on plain-colour areas. All in
    all the result is worse than I get with VHS.

    Why oh why do I sometimes believe the clueless folk like Jacques? And
    some folk wonder why I get a bit scathing towards those folk who post
    bad advice here.

    I must say, Harry, I'm a little surprised that you've endorsed Movie
    Factory. ISTM to be counter-productive to produce DVDs when the result
    is worse than VHS.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 29, 2003
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  17. Fadel Ibrahim

    Jerry. Guest

    So, once again, because / you / can't get something to work not only do you
    slate the product but call other people liars.....
     
    Jerry., Dec 29, 2003
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  18. On my copy the bits that were missing were mostly the extended
    choice of different resolutions and some of the 'menus choices'. The
    basic ability to burn a CD worked fine.
    Well - all I can say is that it wasn't for me! Note that I was
    talking about V1 - I haven't tried V2. And I was burning VCDs and
    SVCDs. That said, the SVCDs I burnt looked pretty good to me.

    I'll see if I can find a small sample and somewhere to put it so
    you can see what I was talking about.

    Regards,
    Harry.
     
    Harry Broomhall, Dec 29, 2003
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  19. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, Harry Broomhall
    I've now had the opportunity of doing a comparison which I'll put up as
    freeze-frame/screen-grabs showing just what I mean about quality.

    Currently, from my "master" archives on miniDV tape, I use Vegas 4, move
    the whole bundle to the timeline, render to HD as MPEG-2 AVI, import
    into DVD Architect, and finally burn DVD.

    It is obviously a bit messy, but it gives excellent quality and (from
    the comparison that I've done) takes just a little less time than that I
    found is required using Movie Factory 2.

    I would dearly like to find an application that would give me a straight
    miniDV to DVD "at a stroke" without losing the quality that I otherwise
    am able to achieve.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 29, 2003
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  20. Fadel Ibrahim

    Tony Morgan Guest

    The comparison can now be seen at:
    http://www.camcord.info/moviefactorytest.html
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 29, 2003
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