Copyright - ugh ugh ugh

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Steve, Oct 16, 2006.

  1. Steve

    Steve Guest

    http://feettothefire.com/2006/10/hollywood_and_the_riaa_are_win.html

    At the Fresno Fair, I was astounded to find copyright law being used
    to prevent me from taking pictures of my daughter with a bird.
    Specifically, at a booth where your child can pose with some colorful
    birds, there was a sign that said PLEASE NO CAMERAS. THIS IS A
    COPYRIGHT PROTECTED AREA. We are turning into a society where
    everybody is so brainwashed by Hollywood that they believe everything
    is subject to copyright protection.


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    The government is unresponsive to the needs of the little man.
    Under 5'7" it is impossible to get your congressman on the phone.

    ....Woody Allen
     
    Steve, Oct 16, 2006
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  2. At the Mystic Aquarium in Mystic, Connecticut, they also have
    a booth where you can pose with a bird on your shoulder, but
    they explicitly allow people to take their own pictures in
    addition to buying the pictures taken by their photographer.

    I wonder if this is because their both is in a somewhat dark
    area, so it's hard for amateurs to get good photos, so more
    people end up buying the photographer's. At an outdoor fair
    on a nice day, it wouldn't be that difficult for an amateur to
    get a decent picture of a kid with a bird, so they probably
    sell a lot fewer pictures, which might lead them to ask people
    not to take their own pictures.

    Or, alternatively, they're just greedy.
     
    Jonathan Kamens, Oct 16, 2006
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  3. Steve

    PTravel Guest

    There is no such thing as a "copyright protected area," nor is a live bird
    protected by copyright. You could have safely ignored the sign.
     
    PTravel, Oct 16, 2006
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  4. Steve

    Philippe Guest

    I'd have to disagree in just about *any* situation other than this one..
    Here, the product being sold *was* pictures with the pretty birds, so
    allowing you to take pictures with the pretty birds on your own would
    have been counterproductive for the booth owners. Odds are the birds
    weren't 'right in the open' where you could have zoom access to them;
    you'd likely have to have gone 'into' their area to get a good shot?

    P.
     
    Philippe, Oct 16, 2006
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  5. Steve

    Steve Guest

    True, and they could certainly put up a sign requesting no pictures.
    But calling it a "copyright-protected area" is just nonsense...


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    The government is unresponsive to the needs of the little man.
    Under 5'7" it is impossible to get your congressman on the phone.

    ....Woody Allen
     
    Steve, Oct 16, 2006
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  6. Steve

    Philippe Guest

    True.

    P.
     
    Philippe, Oct 16, 2006
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  7. Steve

    Bill Funk Guest

    My understanding of copyright law says the sign is totally
    unenforceable.
    The "area" can't be copyrighted.
    The birds can't be copyrighted.
    I will assume the vendor was selling their own photos, right?
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 16, 2006
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  8. However like a mall, it is private property and as such they can
    restrict photography, and in worse case scenario charge you with
    trespassing.
     
    Not Disclosed, Oct 16, 2006
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  9. Steve

    Bill Funk Guest


    While most of what you say is true, the vendor can simply say, "No
    photos."
    The copyright claim is just wrong. Why not be honest?
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 16, 2006
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  10. Steve

    Philippe Guest

    Likely for the simple fact that unless there is a threat of legal
    action, people tend to ignore signs like "no food or drink" and "no
    photos"..

    :(

    P.
     
    Philippe, Oct 16, 2006
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  11. Surely the issue is not whether it is or is not counter-productive for
    the stallholder - after all, it is counter-productive for burglars that
    I lock my door, or (to give a less perjorative example) for the
    restaurants in my area that we cook our own meals.

    No, the correct issue is who has the legal right to prevent you from
    taking photos. It will depend on jurisdiction, but most likely the only
    person who can do this is the owner of the land or fairground operator
    who, in selling or giving you licence to enter the property may impose
    whatever conditions he wishes. If he does not do so, I doubt any
    individual stallholder can do so. Whatever else it is, it is not an
    issue of copyright.

    He could of course refuse to let your daughter hold his bird, but it is
    doubtful if he could do anything else.

    David
     
    David Littlewood, Oct 16, 2006
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  12. Steve

    Eric Miller Guest

    "PHOTOGRAPHY PROHIBITED BY
    The following was all that I could find doing a quick search:

    18 U.S.C.A. §793

    Eric Miller
     
    Eric Miller, Oct 16, 2006
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  13. maybe the "layout" was copywrited?
     
    AllEmailDeletedImmediately, Oct 16, 2006
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  14. did you go in a ask them to cite the law?
     
    AllEmailDeletedImmediately, Oct 16, 2006
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  15. Steve

    Bill Funk Guest

    It's simpler to enforce "No Photos" than it is to enforce some bogus
    copyright issue.
    The idea that, since people ignore signs, signs that make bogus claims
    are somehow more effective, escapes me. Those who know better will
    tend to ignore the bogus signs, meaning *more* people will ignore the
    bogus signs.
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 17, 2006
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  16. Steve

    Bill Funk Guest

    Fine. Then just say, "No Photos".
    Trespassing isn't copyright infringement.
    I can put a sign in my front yard saying, "No Photography allowed on,
    of, or from my property, because of copyright laws",and it will mean
    nothing like what a "No Trespassing" sigh would.
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 17, 2006
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  17. Steve

    Bill Funk Guest

    Taking a photo of a copyrighted background is one thing; taking photos
    of people in front of those backgrounds is another.
    Props can be copyrighted?
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 17, 2006
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  18. Steve

    Bill Funk Guest

     
    Bill Funk, Oct 17, 2006
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  19. Steve

    Steve Guest

    You wanna really have some fun, try taking a few pics at an airport...
     
    Steve, Oct 17, 2006
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  20. Rip it off, man. F_ck'em. What, are they going to arrest you?
     
    Question Quigley, Oct 17, 2006
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