CS2 under VMWare ? (don't laugh)

Discussion in 'Photoshop Tutorials' started by Al Dykes, Jan 25, 2006.

  1. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest

    Has anyone tried to run CS2 under VMware on a high-end machine?

    I'm part of an organization that runs lots of training sessions. We
    have a nice room with a good PC and a video projector and screen. We
    teach Photoshop [1] at a fairly high level. Everything else is
    lightweight in comparison.

    We're due for an upgrade to our training machine, and we have an
    on-going problem with different groups stepping on each other on a
    shared machine.

    I've been pushing the idea for using a VM for each class. This would
    be on a dual-core machine with as much memory as needed, etc. We
    don't have an unlimited budget but I argure that one big machine is
    cheaper than a couple mid-level machines.

    Don't laugh at VM unless you've worked with it. For pure CPU
    operations it's about 99% efficient because the VM code doen't get in
    the way unless there are calls to the OS.

    We intentionally use modest-sized images for training purposes. Be
    need speed to make good use of class time, not for impressive results.

    [1] http://www.hookbuilt.com/nypc/photoshop_sig.html
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 25, 2006
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    ah2 Guest

    Do the math. Wouldn't a lot of PCs be more cost effective?

    Anywho, you have to try it out. We found that using a central system
    (OpenVMS in this case) was terrible; the way windows were handled required a
    new process spawned for every window, then some. U*x wasn't much better.
    Wintel machines were the ticket. We have 8000 laptops. :)
     
    ah2, Jan 25, 2006
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  3. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest


    Huh? We're not talking about timesharing a computer. We want multiple
    OS images so that each teacher doesn't screw up the machine for the
    next teacher.

    Has anyone run CS2 under VMware. Experience with Microsoft VM would
    probably be useful, too.
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 26, 2006
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  4. CS2, no, but I did use PS7 on Vmware for quite a while. I had a Linux
    machine running a Win2K guest. The underlying Linux is much more
    efficient than Windows XP, but given enough memory WinXP on WinXP will
    do the job.

    It worked very well for me. I was running a 650mhz PIII laptop to do
    12-20MB images, which shows you don't really need a high end machine.
    You loose very little performance with Vmware (a few percent) so
    anything that natively runs Photoshop the way you need it will almost
    certainly do the job through Vmware.

    The only problem I found was that Vmware doesn't drive the underlying
    video hardware, which means Adobe Gamma won't work, which makes colour
    management difficult. You might also have problems with activation. I
    suspect each VM would be seen as a separate machine from a licencing
    perspective. Ask Adobe or your lawyer, or find a way of working with
    snapshots.

    I'd say go for it. It's an obvious solution. If money is tight get a
    mid-range box, put Linux on it, and install a Win2K guest. If you have a
    bit more money to spare use WinXP or OSX on a host of your choice.
     
    Derek Fountain, Jan 26, 2006
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    Harry Limey Guest

    May be of interest! I noticed an article in the weekly (free) newsletter I
    get from Fred Langa on this subject, I just glanced at it I'm afraid as it
    has no relevance for me, but I noticed a lot of follow up in later
    subscriptions, so if you go to Information week and do a search, you may
    find the subject extensively covered (As an aside for anyone teaching IT, I
    would imagine subscribing to the paid version of Langa's list would be worth
    while at $10 per year!)
    Heres the link to the first search I did.
    http://www.informationweek.com/show...0ZKD0QQSNDBECKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleID=165600064
    And here's a link to the Langa site.
    http://www.langa.com/

    Harry
     
    Harry Limey, Jan 26, 2006
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  6. How about a cloned removable hard drive?

    Andrew
     
    Andrew Morton, Jan 26, 2006
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  7. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest


    We've tried. The nature of the organization doesn't work, for a couple
    reasons.
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 26, 2006
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  8. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest

    Thanks, you don't have to sell me on virtyal machines. I've been
    working with them on and off since about 1975. They are perfect for a
    complex teaching environment.

    I want to see if anyone's got experience with Photshop, which as we
    all know, is a complex beast.
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 26, 2006
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  9. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest


    Good point. These days VMWare comes with a native video driver that
    can be installed after you've installed the client OS. This *might*
    solve this problem.

    It's not a problem for us, anyway, since (a) we project to the class
    on a cheapo video projector which shouldn't be used in the same
    sentence with "calibration" or "gamma" and (b) We don't teach color
    calibration becuase of (a) .

    Thanks.
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 26, 2006
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    news.uta.at Guest

    Hi,
    I tried CS2 on a Linux->VMWare->WinXP System. Photoshop CS2 worked well, I
    had no problems. The only Application I couldn't use was Lightwave
    (OpenGL-Application).

    greetings
    Martin
     
    news.uta.at, Jan 26, 2006
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  11. Al Dykes

    Al Dykes Guest



    What hardware ?
     
    Al Dykes, Jan 26, 2006
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    news.uta.at Guest

    P4, 2,6 GHz, 1,5GB RAM, 250GB Harddisk, NVidia FX5600 (Keyboard and
    Trackball :cool:).
     
    news.uta.at, Jan 27, 2006
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