Curves - Making the cut

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    1930 2-door Lincoln Cabriolet.
     
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    The rear-view mirrors were mounted on the fender-mounted spare tires
    on many cars of this era. The top image here is the Lincoln's mirror,
    and the bottom image is a LaSalle showing their mounting system.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nbtup9adjv5lnwe/mirrors.jpg

    These photos were taken Sunday at the Winter Park FL Concours
    D'Elegance. It's a great show for classic automobile enthusiasts, but
    a terrible show for photographers. The older classic cars are in a
    park area that has a lot of trees, so the light is very dappled sun
    and shadow.

    The crowds are immense, so getting a clear shot of any car is a
    problem. This is a joke shot I took for a friend that was going to
    go, but was afraid the crowds would block all shots. He was right.
    The green bits are the same Lincoln my other photo.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/o66z9dhz77axysq/2012-11-11-66.jpg

    For the original photo I posted here, I cropped it to emphasize that
    curve of the fender. All I could do at this show was photograph small
    areas of a vehicle.
     
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    I agree. The chain does not look original or period restoration.

    Most of the 1926-36 Lincolns I have shot have a wing mirror mounted on
    the spare with a leather strap.
    Here is a 1930 Lincoln Town Sedan showing the mirror and strap;
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DNC5634-Ew.jpg >
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DNC5634-ECw.jpg >
     
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    I really don't know if the chain was used on that particular year and
    model. However, this is a vehicle entered in the Concours D'Elegance.
    I think that it is a requirement for entry that all restoration be
    authentic if the vehicle is to be judged.

    The fittings on the mirror would determine if a leather strap or a
    chain could be used. If it's an authentic mirror, and a chair fits,
    then I have to assume that the chain was authentic for the model.

    Me, I just take photographs.
     
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    Hey...I'm a photographer, not a paint and body man. That's exactly
    the look the actual vehicle had.
     
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    Actually, the ones that made the cut are less interesting. But, I was
    trying something new and more of an abstract look. I find that what I
    look for in a subject to photograph has become a rather confined
    spectrum.

    This time, I tried to look at something I wouldn't normally photograph
    and see if I could find a Curve aspect there. One is something I shot
    a year or so ago for realism, but re-shot for this and boosted some
    color in it.
     
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    Most Concours D'Elegance rules are not standard, but vary by committee,
    but for the most part are so similar it makes little difference. Pebble
    Beach and Amelia Island are probably the two most rigorous US
    committees. I can't speak for the Winter Park event.
    Generally you are going to be looking at three groups at a Concours,
    "Original unrestored", "Original restored", & "Frame up restoration".
    The judges and committees will have different levels of tolerance for
    each category. Usually the first two require original equipment, or
    optional original equipment available at the time of original sale. If
    the spare tire mirror mount chain on your car was an original option
    (something I am not aware of, but a Concours judge specializing in the
    Lincoln Marque certainly would be) it would comply.
    Many "Frame up" restorations are able to meet the "Original restored"
    category provided original parts and/or options are used. These cars
    can be dinged points if fabricated or aftermarket replacement parts are
    used.

    That said, your 1930 Lincoln looks to be a nice car. The LaSalle or
    "Poor man's Cadillac" are also impressive cars. We have a local 1934
    Cadillac LaSalle around here that is a daily runner. Great car.

    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSC2356-Ew.jpg >
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/37-Lasalle-w.jpg >
     
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    I wish I was able to predict the questions when I take a photograph so
    I could ask the owner. My eye was on the vehicle as a photographic
    subject. The idea of a fender being a curve had hit me earlier in the
    day, but the cars with the best fender curves (A Bugatti and a Jag
    XK-120) were not good photographic subjects. The Bugatti was black,
    highly reflective and positioned such that my circular polarizer had
    no effect. The Jag was white, out on the street, and a blow-out
    nightmare. A few others were rejected for hubcap reflection problems.

    The Lincoln was positioned OK for the section I wanted, out of shadow
    on that side, and those popsicle green spokes promised some drama. It
    never occurred to me to ask the owner if the chain was authentic.

    Logic tells me it is. Who would fabricate a chain when a leather
    strap is easier to make? A chain would resist the elements better
    than leather. Anyone who puts money in a restoration like this would
    naturally choose authentic parts if the authentic part is easy to find
    or duplicate. A leather strap certainly is.

    Does it make any difference, though? To me, it's the curve, the
    colors, and the recurring pattern of circles.
     
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    PeterN Guest

    Most of that statement would apply to a woman, as well.
     
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    You did a nice job with that image.

    I was poking around your site, and think you have some nice images.
    Regarding your animals, I wish you had made tighter crops, as you did
    with the gull. Also, I would have tried to highlight the eyes and face.
    Try to tone down some of the body hot spots and darken the background,
    where appropriate. Shooting in bright sunlight can be a real bear.
    Please keep showing your work.

    BTW
     
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    Charles what's-his-face makes fun of my comments about cropping, but -
    to me - what you leave in and what you take out is as important as
    finding the subject.

    This image of Rich's, and a few other of his architectural shots, are
    stronger because of the crop. In my opinion, the crop can tell viewer
    what the image is all about. The camera can only frame within the
    restrictions of the native image size. The photographer takes over
    from there.

    I tried to do this with the shot of the Lincoln.
     
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