D200 successor, when?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006.

  1. Judging by history, when might we see a successor to the Nikon D200? I am not
    asking whether one is needed, just when it might happen? It seems to me that
    a D3x or something similar will have to be released first, but I could be
    wrong about that. Still, the D200 has been out for one year and the D80 is
    not eating into its market a little bit, so I wonder how long until the D200
    is replaced by the D300 ;-)

    I am due to upgrade my D70 in the upcoming months, and I wonder if I should
    sit on it longer or jump on the D200. In any case, I want a body that is
    faster, sturdier and can use AI lenses ;-)
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006
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  2. I have no idea what a D300 is supposed to offer at this moment. If there
    are minor details Nikon may want to fix, they will probably release a
    D200s. On the other hand, they kept the D100 for a long time.

    I think that the next significant upgrade is a full frame sensor. From the
    reviews it sounds as if the body is close to perfect (for the market segment).
    Minor tweaks to the sensor (for a D200s model) may be possible, but nothing
    major is to be expected. You can't just go for a 16 Mpixel sensor. And
    12 or 14 Mpixel sensors don't make sense at the moment (one of the attractive
    points of the Sony sensor is the economy of scale benefits Nikon gets).

    It would be interesting if Sony, Nikon, and possible Leica would together
    go for fullframe sensors. Nikon needs them to compete with Canon, Sony
    probably wants one to show that they are serious about making professional
    DSLRs, and Leica needs something that has a much better low light performance
    than the currently have (and M8 users probably want full frame).
    Philip Homburg, Nov 7, 2006
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  3. JESUS! They just came out with the D200. And Nikon hung onto the D100
    for way too long. Calm down and deal with what's out there.
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 7, 2006
  4. That is no answer. D100 "for way too long" is partly what I am looking for.
    I simply want to know when they are likely to release a new model. If you say
    three years down the road, then fine, D200 is fine. If you say one year down
    the road, I will almost certainly wait for that time.

    What I would like to see in the next camera:

    14-bit color channel
    APS-C or Full Frame is fine
    6+ FPS (most of my photography doesn't benefit from this anyway)
    Some sort of Sensor cleaning technology
    Everything else the D200 has already

    I used to think full-frame was a good thing, but I am not at all sure of that.
    APS-C seems to do just fine. I have been very impressed by the results of the
    D2x. I had a chance to attend a seminar with John Shaw and he has indicated
    he has been entirely digital since the D1 and he is putting out wonderful
    images with the D2x ... printed at large sizes as well. I can't ask for more
    out of my own photos, so I am not so sure that Full Frame matters much to me
    any longer.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006
  5. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    just bob Guest

    At least another 18 months I'd guess.
    just bob, Nov 7, 2006
  6. Not until you hold one and use it. Although I am also quite happy with
    the 1.6 factor for sports and wildlife shooting.
    John McWilliams, Nov 7, 2006
  7. Why would holding a 35mm sensor camera somehow convince me that it is better?
    At most, it is but a little bigger ...

    As far as wide angle goes, I have seen excellent wide angle shots on APS-C and
    I believe most 35mm digital sensors are suffering from vignetting issues.
    Clearly there are trade-offs, but I am failing to see how they will really
    affect the majority of photographers other than spec meisers.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006
  8. Thank you.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006
  9. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Jan Böhme Guest

    just bob skrev:
    Also, please note that the lag phase between announcement and actual
    ready availability historically has been considerably longer for Nikon
    than for Canon. The D200 itself is a case in point. At least here in
    Sweden, although a very small number of cameras were sold to the
    highest positions on waiting-lists earlier, the D200 became readily
    available at about the same time as the Canon 30D, which was announced
    almost four months later.

    Jan Böhme
    Jan Böhme, Nov 7, 2006
  10. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    just bob Guest

    I think what he means is when you take your existing lenses and put them on
    a full-frame you are amazed at the view, especially if you remember the view
    you had with your old lenses on a film camera. I rented a 1Ds mkII recently
    and had a bit of that feeling, but not perhaps as overwhelming as others
    because I com from the 1.3 crop on the 1D. What *was* amazing on the 1Ds
    mkII was the 16.6MP images. Wow. You really can resolve things as small as
    human hair as with a medium format camera.
    just bob, Nov 7, 2006
  11. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Bill Guest

    I think Nikon may introduce a D200s model that has better high ISO
    noise performance and a few minor tweaks. I don't think they'll
    introduce a D300 for a while yet.
    Bill, Nov 7, 2006
  12. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Bill Guest

    That doesn't seem to be the case for some models. The D50 and D80
    suffered no lag time in their production. New lenses, aside from the
    18-200 VR, have also appeared relatively quickly.

    I'm not saying Nikon won't have lag time, just that it may not happen
    with the next models.
    Bill, Nov 7, 2006
  13. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Geoff Guest

    But then there will be another new model out sometime after that .....

    Geoff, Nov 7, 2006
  14. You left out miniaturization. I have a D70, but it's just too clunky
    for travel. I'm still using my Nikon FM2n for that reason.

    A harbinger might be the new D40, which seems to be considerably
    smaller than Nikon's previous DSLR offerings. Put the D200 features
    into a package this size, and I'll buy!
    Alexander Arnakis, Nov 7, 2006
  15. I like the size of my F100 (and the D70 for that fact) just fine, and in fact,
    I wouldn't like it to be any smaller than that. They fit my hands perfectly
    the way it is.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006
  16. But your current model will stay current for quite some time. Having said
    that, my issue isn't to have the latest and greatest, but if some of the
    features that I would like are going to be available in a year, then I would
    wait for them and continue with my current hardware.
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Nov 7, 2006
  17. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Bill Guest

    If the sensor is 16mp APS-C, then it likely won't have low noise
    without extensive processing in-camera. There is a definite advantage
    to having larger pixel photo-sites. But that won't stop the the
    companies from pushing the pixel counts to impress consumers,
    regardless of image quality.

    Automatic sensor cleaning is a gimmick. The only reason Canon and Sony
    have jumped on it is to be competitive. Whether it works or not, it's
    still a marketing tool, and they can use it to help sell their
    products. I expect Nikon will jump onboard for their low-end models as
    I seriously hope not. The Nikon D80 is a bit smaller than the D70s
    (which I found to be almost perfectly sized), and that's as small as
    I'll go.

    I switched from the Canon Rebel XT to the Nikon D80 partly for the
    handling and ergonomics, and I won't buy another tiny camera again. I
    like being able to hold the camera properly, and use the functions it
    offers without contorting my hand and fingers to do it, regardless of
    the weight savings. I'll live with the extra 100 grams of added weight
    (which I can barely notice anyway).
    The D40 (if it even exists) will be for first-time DSLR buyers only -
    the most basic user who wants a DSLR package for snapshots and
    vacation pictures. It obviously won't be targeted at the amateur or
    enthusiast markets. The D50 and D80 are much more practical options
    for those people.

    For casual shooters the tiny cameras are fine since they don't get
    aching fingers from carrying the camera and shooting half the day or
    more. If all you want is to take snaps, then the little cameras do the
    trick nicely. But for anyone more serious about shooting and taking
    lots of photos, the handling can be very important.

    I just wish I had realized that when I switched to digital a year and
    a half ago.
    Bill, Nov 7, 2006
  18. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Bill Guest

    I don't really care how many pixels are in the camera (within reason).
    I care more about image quality, noise, lense sharpness and contrast,
    and camera handling and functionality.

    My new Nikon D80 has a 10mp sensor, but I'd be just as happy if it had
    6mp or 16mp, as long as the above conditions are met.
    Bill, Nov 7, 2006
  19. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Greg \_\ Guest

    Amen, however I've heard 12mp is the limit for current technology on the
    APS-c sensor and 16 is the limit for FF....if one wants optimal results
    of less noise and better resolution.

    Still 12mp is a lot better than my 6mp D70......ten not so shure.
    "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
    the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
    and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
    at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.

    Reality-Is finding that perfect picture
    and never looking back.

    Greg \_\, Nov 7, 2006
  20. Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Greg \_\ Guest

    I have an 11-18 that I believe outperforms the D70's sensor. I get much
    more noise using it than the kit lens. Very wide DOF but not able
    sharpen to the extent of the kit lens....I could be wrong :)
    "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
    the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
    and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
    at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.

    Reality-Is finding that perfect picture
    and never looking back.

    Greg \_\, Nov 7, 2006
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