D70s - Has Nikon missed the boat?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Tony Polson, May 16, 2005.

  1. Tony Polson

    Tony Polson Guest

    High street price comparison 16.05.05:

    Nikon D70s + kit lens £899.95 for 6 MP
    Canon EOS 300D + kit lens £499.95 for 6 MP
    Canon EOS 350D + kit lens £699.95 for 8 MP

    How does Nikon expect to sell the D70s at £400 more than Canon's 6 MP
    300D and £200 more than the 8 MP 350D?

    [Also compare with £549.95 for the 8 MP Olympus E300 ...]

    Are Nikon right to assume that brand loyalty is going to gain them up
    to £400 extra for the D70s and kit lens? Am I missing something?
    Tony Polson, May 16, 2005
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  2. Tony Polson

    Nik Beard Guest

    The D70/s is a better camera in many aspects. The canon offerings are good
    value for money but the Nikon fels like 400 quid more...and their Glass is
    superior. Sorry... I do Nikon, had you guessed?
    Nik Beard, May 17, 2005
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  3. Tony Polson

    Tony Polson Guest

    I thought you were just being objective and impartial.


    As an Olympus E-1 user, I am completely impartial. ;-)

    Seriously, though, what makes the 6 MP Nikon D70s worth £400 more than
    the 6 MP Canon EOS 300D, and £200 more than the *8* MP EOS 350D? I
    find it difficult to believe that Nikon will sell many at that price.
    Tony Polson, May 17, 2005
  4. Which perhaps is why it has launched the D50.
    Roger Whitehead, May 17, 2005
  5. Tony Polson

    Tony Polson Guest

    And how many D50s will Nikon sell against the Canon EOS 350D? What
    price differential will be needed for the vastly inferior D50 to sell?

    I suggest that the price differential that will be needed to sell the
    dumbed-down 6 MP D50 against the far more capable 8 MP 350D would be
    much greater than Nikon could bear, given that Canon probably have
    plenty of scope for discounting the 350D below its current price.
    Tony Polson, May 17, 2005
  6. Tony Polson

    carrigman Guest

    I agree. I don't see the point of the D50 given the much more capable 350D.
    And while there isn't *really* that much difference between 6MP and 8MP most
    prospective purchasers probably think there is and that is where it will
    hurt Nikon in the marketplace. Nikon should have upgraded the D70S to 8MP in
    recognition of the fact that the ordinary punter will perceive the
    difference to be greater than it actually is.

    The D70 has been hugely successful for Nikon since it was released. I doubt
    very much if this success will be maintained in the light of Canon's
    imaginative and by all accounts highly capable offerings.

    carrigman, May 17, 2005
  7. Tony Polson

    Microwave Guest

    Well first of all, let me say I'm not really a brandist, having used all ofthe big six except
    Pentax, though not necessarily all the digital offerings.

    At work I use a Canon D60 and for personal use I use a Minolta Dynax 7 (traditional) and an
    Olympus OM4-Ti. I'm not at all impressed with the D60, though I accept its age is probably a
    factor. It doesn't have spot metering and highlights are often burnt out. It has an enormous
    battery that doesn't have a particularly long life.

    I haven't looked at the 350D closely, but the 300D was really cheesy compared to the D70 --
    really plasticky. The person I'm currently dating has a D70 so I've shot with that a lot. The
    lens it's generally packaged with is very capable, and the body feels nice and solid, and I
    wouldn't be afraid to take it out most places (chav-infested bits of Londonaside). I'm a bit
    apprehensive about the 8mp cameras still, they seem to be plagued by noise problems, so I'd be
    happy to stick with a six until sensor sizes on the 8mps get a bit bigger.

    I've only played with the Olympus E-1 once, in a shop, but it felt wonderful -- I've always been
    a huge fan of Olympus's body design, and even more of a fan of Zuiko optics..

    Likewise with the Dynax7d -- I've only played with it once, at the local camera shop where I
    bought my Dynax7. While for "feel" I prefer the Olympus, from my experiencewith the Dynax7
    traditional, the electronic wizardry of this camera is absolutely astounding. And what really
    sold me was the ease with which you can change settings, most of the important ones without even
    moving the camera from your face, and that's saying something as I'm left eyed -- there are a
    plethora of dials that can be configured to change what you like rather than having to rely on
    LCD menus. Sadly it's hard to market that because you don't really realise what a boon that is
    until you start using it a lot.

    Never seen an ist*D/s in the flesh, but they get great reviews. They probably have a spot meter
    too. Why Canon thinks partial metering is just as good is beyond me -- it often is good but it's
    a nice comforting feeling to hone in on one small element when you need to.
    Microwave, May 17, 2005
  8. Tony Polson

    Tony Polson Guest

    My point, exactly.
    Tony Polson, May 17, 2005
  9. Tony Polson

    Tony Polson Guest

    It is a wonderful camera to use, and the results from the pro range of
    Zuiko Digital lenses are outstanding. I have two E-1 bodies.

    What Olympus desperately need for the E-1's successor:

    1) More resolution - 12 MP would be good but at least 10 MP is needed;

    2) Much lower noise at higher ISOs - ISO 800 and above; and

    3) The ability to display the histogram with a push of a button.
    Tony Polson, May 17, 2005
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