D80. Better images, lower noise than D200

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by RichA, Sep 17, 2006.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    At least according to one owner on dpreview. If this is the case, how
    hard would it be for Nikon to upgrade existing D200s and change the
    design on the camera itself?
     
    RichA, Sep 17, 2006
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  2. So if just one opinion in this group is you're an idiot for such posts and
    should just disappear or at least stop posting such drivel, will you
    graciously follow suit?
     
    Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!), Sep 17, 2006
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  3. Here is an extensive noise analysis of the D200:

    The Nikon D200 Digital Camera:
    Sensor Noise, Dynamic Range, and Full Well Analysis
    http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/evaluation-nikon-d200

    The D80 has the same pixel pitch, so there probably
    isn't that much difference. But I would like to
    evaluate a D80 too.

    Roger
     
    Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark), Sep 18, 2006
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  4. RichA

    RichA Guest

    D200 owner. Noted.
     
    RichA, Sep 18, 2006
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  5. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Not a particularly impressive performance, was it?
     
    RichA, Sep 18, 2006
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  6. Idiot OP. Noted.

    I can achieve the same "quality" images with the D200 if I care too with
    software. I prefer not to have such aggressive in camera AA and noise
    filtering. But then you wouldn't understand that. By you reckoning I should
    also throw away my D70/5700/900 and Casio Z-750 all which I still use as
    well because of their plastic bodies.
     
    Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!), Sep 24, 2006
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  7. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Why do you losers get so defensive over an opinion?.
    The observation about the cameras was made by a person on dpreview who
    happens to own both the D200 and the D80. I'd say that gives them
    some claim to being able to offer an opinion. If it rubs you the
    wrong way, for whatever weird reason, tough.
     
    RichA, Sep 25, 2006
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  8. RichA

    acl Guest

    Actually, I can easily find quotes from the forums of DPReview that
    changing the WB in Nikon cameras affects the raw data (despite the fact
    that a 3 minute test will show that this is not so). I can also find
    quotes that a D2H (4mp) will produce better 20x30 (inches) prints than a
    D200. Better means with more detail, according to the person saying it.
    And so on.

    I would not pay much attention to what people agree is true in the
    dpreview forums.

    As for the noise of the D200/D80, their pixels have the same size, so
    any difference in noise will be due to differences in a) readout noise
    (rather unlikely, and would affect only shadows), or b) different noise
    reduction for jpegs or noise filtering for raw. I would bet it is (b),
    and would also be very surprised if it was not possible to attain the
    same results with the D200 by suitable postprocessing. In other words, I
    do not see how it can be the sensor that makes the difference.

    Anyway, I own a D200 also, if you want to ignore what I say because of that.
     
    acl, Sep 25, 2006
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  9. RichA

    Bill Guest

    The sensors are not identical, although they are similar. Yet those
    differences can be partially attributed to the noise charateristics of
    the camera.

    And don't forget that the AA filter over the sensor can also make a
    difference. I haven't found confirmation yet, but it seems the filter
    for the D80 is different based on resolution and sharpness
    comparisons.
     
    Bill, Sep 26, 2006
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  10. RichA

    acl Guest

    You mean the noise characteristics can be attributed etc. Well, as I
    say above, the pixel size is the same, so any difference would be in
    readout noise etc. Even in scientific CCDs readout noise is more or less
    the same as what Roger has measured for the D200, and I imagine other
    recent DSLRs (I ignore the Canons here). And even if there was less
    readout noise, the difference would obviously only be at low signals.
    So I can't believe it is the sensor that makes the difference. Feel free
    to disagree, of course.
    I can't see how a low pass filter can affect noise any more than whether
    the photograph is out of focus or not (or blurred).
     
    acl, Sep 26, 2006
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