D80 -- memory card question..

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by maya, Feb 24, 2007.

  1. maya

    maya Guest

    hi,

    I just purchased a memory card, it's a 2GB Toshiba (in list of
    approved brands for Nikon D80 in manual) tested, it works fine,
    only weird thing is in display where it usu. says how many photos you
    can still take instead of saying "900" or something like that it says
    "1.0" (card is 2GB..) why display is different with this card and
    how can I tell how many photos I can still take (I know this
    depends on quality, dimensions setting, but still, why does it say
    "1.0" instead of how many photos..)

    thank you very much...
     
    maya, Feb 24, 2007
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  2. maya

    Joan Guest

    Do you have a file type/size setting that would allow the card to hold
    more than 999 photos?

    The display can only show 3 digits, so if your card has space for more
    than 999 photos then the display will show the number in thousands.



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    Joan
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    : hi,
    :
    : I just purchased a memory card, it's a 2GB Toshiba (in list of
    : approved brands for Nikon D80 in manual) tested, it works fine,
    : only weird thing is in display where it usu. says how many photos
    you
    : can still take instead of saying "900" or something like that it
    says
    : "1.0" (card is 2GB..) why display is different with this card and
    : how can I tell how many photos I can still take (I know this
    : depends on quality, dimensions setting, but still, why does it say
    : "1.0" instead of how many photos..)
    :
    : thank you very much...
    :
     
    Joan, Feb 24, 2007
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    TJWilson Guest

    You can test this by changing the quality of image to something which
    creates a larger files size. Joan is correct the 1.0 means over 1000
    but less than 1,100, the larger file size setting should drop the
    number down to display in 3 digits.
     
    TJWilson, Feb 24, 2007
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  4. maya

    Paige Miller Guest

    My Nikon D80 displays a little "K" to the right of the 1.0 and
    slightly above the 1.0 to indicate that you can take 1K (i.e. 1,000)
    photos. There is no way for the camera to display more decimal places,
    so you can assume there are between 1000 and 1099 photos left. Once
    the number of photos left falls under 1000, it will display the
    estimated number of photos, such as, for example, 962.

    --
    Paige Miller


    It's nothing until I call it -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
    If you get the choice to sit it out or dance,
    I hope you dance -- Lee Ann Womack
     
    Paige Miller, Feb 24, 2007
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  5. maya

    THO Guest

    I wonder why they don't at a "+" after the 1K -- 1K+ to accurately
    represent that there is more than 1,000 photos remaining.
     
    THO, Feb 24, 2007
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  6. maya

    Paige Miller Guest

    This makes no sense. The "K" indicates there are 1000 or more (up to
    1099) photos remaining. The "+" that you suggest adds no additional
    information.

    --
    Paige Miller


    It's nothing until I call it -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
    If you get the choice to sit it out or dance,
    I hope you dance -- Lee Ann Womack
     
    Paige Miller, Feb 24, 2007
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  7. maya

    THO Guest

    K=1,000
    1K=1,000
    2K=2,000
    3K=3,000

    In this care ...

    1K= 1,000 (not 1,000 to 1,999)
    1K+= more than 1K


    If your camera displayed 1, would that mean you had between 1 and 999
    shots remaining?
     
    THO, Feb 24, 2007
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  8. maya

    Doug Payne Guest

    If you have 1,000 or more shots remaining, does it really matter if it's
    1,001 or 1,099? In any case, it's only an approximation; there's no way
    the camera can know exactly how many shots will fit in almost all cases.
     
    Doug Payne, Feb 24, 2007
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  9. maya

    Paige Miller Guest

    No, wrong

    1.0K =1,000 to 1,099 pics
    1.1K =1,100 to 1,199 pics
    ....
    1.9K =1,900 to 1,999 pics
    2.0K =2,000 to 2,099 pics
    2.1K =2,100 to 2,199 pics

    etc

    The plus sign tells you nothing
    It means you have 1 picture, that's the way the Nikon D80 works. If
    there's no "K", then that's the estimated number of pictures. If
    there's a "K", there's a range. The "+" would tell you nothing

    --
    Paige Miller


    It's nothing until I call it -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
    If you get the choice to sit it out or dance,
    I hope you dance -- Lee Ann Womack
     
    Paige Miller, Feb 25, 2007
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  10. maya

    THO Guest

    Paige, you skipped school on the day your 4th grade teacher taught the
    metric system, didn't you?

    Just because Nikon uses that convention doesn't make it right. Let's
    take the "K" out of the equation:

    1,000=1,000
    1,000 does not equal 1,000 to 1,099
    1,100=1,100
    1,100 does not equal 1,100 to 1,199
     
    THO, Feb 25, 2007
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  11. maya

    Paige Miller Guest

    Can't you understand the idea of limited space forces Nikon to use
    approximations? It's not the metric system that Nikon is using, its
    the Nikon D80 abbreviations that it is using. That's why 1.0K on a
    Nikon D80 indicates there is space on the SD card for between 1000 and
    1099 shots available. How do I know? Because the camera shows 1.0K, I
    take 30 or 40 shots and then magically, the camera no longer reads
    1.0K -- the camera tells me there are 999 shots left.

    But don't take my word for it. Look at the manual for the D80
    http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/noprint/D80_noprint.pdf
    and scroll down to page 17 of the .pdf (which oddly is page 5 of the
    manual as many of the early pages have Roman numerals)

    --
    Paige Miller


    It's nothing until I call it -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
    If you get the choice to sit it out or dance,
    I hope you dance -- Lee Ann Womack
     
    Paige Miller, Feb 25, 2007
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  12. maya

    THO Guest

    <Sigh> Here you go - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo

    Most people first learn about this when they learn about the metric
    system.

    Here's what you're not getting ---

    999 = 3 characters
    1K=2 characters
    1K+=3 characters (i.e. it FITS into Nikon's 3 character display and
    would allow them to use an abbreviation that is CORRECT instead of
    written in Nikon-speak)
     
    THO, Feb 25, 2007
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  13. maya

    Paige Miller Guest

    Yeah but that's not what Nikon did, and your system with the "+" sign
    conveys no additional information over and above what Nikon did. By
    the way, the Nikon D80 does not us 1K as you imply above. It uses
    1.0K, conveying more information than your 1K+. Your 1K+ indicates
    1000-1999 photos, it cannot indicate finer gradations, whereas Nikon
    can indicate via 1.2K that there are only 1200-1299 photos.

    Your statement about CORRECT is ridiculous, Nikon wasn't trying to
    emulate the metric system, they were trying to convey as much
    information as possible and they did so with better effectiveness than
    using 1K+.

    --
    Paige Miller


    It's nothing until I call it -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
    If you get the choice to sit it out or dance,
    I hope you dance -- Lee Ann Womack
     
    Paige Miller, Feb 25, 2007
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  14. No no no no no. Paige is trying to explain, to you, what Nikon display
    on the D80 where there are more than 999 photos remaining with the
    current size settings. And you know what, Paige is absolutely correct.
    Never mind whether Nikon doesn't use the correct metric
    respresentation of K or not, this is what the camera shows.

    Capiche?

    Doc
     
    Dr Hfuhruhurr, Feb 26, 2007
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  15. maya

    Alan Browne Guest

    Psst. Useful posts damage the newsgroup.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 26, 2007
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  16. maya

    maya Guest

    oh my gosh.. thank you VERY much.....:)
     
    maya, Feb 26, 2007
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  17. maya

    Doug Payne Guest

    That's my sole purpose here.
     
    Doug Payne, Feb 26, 2007
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  18. maya

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    [ ... ]
    My D70 (with a 4GB CF card and currently set on "Large/Fine")
    reads "1.1" (with a tiny 'K' above the last digit) not just "1" with a
    "K"'. This means to me that it will take somewhere between 1100 and
    1199 photos (estimated) before running out of memory. (In reality, it
    will probably take a lot more based on experience with 1GB CF cards.)

    If mine displayed "1", I would assume that there was room for
    only one more photo at the current settings. If it read "1.0K", I would
    assume that it meant somewhere between 1000 and 1099 shots.

    What does the '+' offer which is not already implied by the 'K'?
    You know that once it displays a 'K', it *can't* display the exact
    number of images left -- even if it *could* accurately guess the number.
    (It can't because different JPEG images will compress to different
    amounts, even with the "Fine" option turned on, and there is even some
    variation with the RAW (NEF) images. So even when it is saying "999",
    it is saying in reality that you can get *at* *least* 999 images, and
    probably significantly more.

    FWIW -- if I switch to "Basic/Small" as my quality setting, the
    displayed number is 15.1K. RAW takes it down to 718, and RAW+Basic to
    638.

    Note that if you actually *shoot* over 1000 images, it will
    split your card up into multiple folders, each with no more than 999
    images.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Feb 28, 2007
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  19. maya

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Well ... there is a difference between 'k' and 'K'. In the
    computer field, lower case indicates a multiplier of 1000, and upper
    case indicates a multiplier of 1024 (2^10th). But we can ignore that
    for the moment.

    However, in scientific fields. the use of a 'k' suffix in
    combination with a decimal point and not sufficient digits to fill out
    to the end means an approximation or a range -- such as was given above.
    Think of it as (for the "1.1K") as 1.1 times 1K, and since there is only
    one digit after the decimal point, it leaves an uncertainty as to the
    remaining two (missing) digits.

    In electronics, you can buy a 1.2K resistor. Does this mean
    that if you measured it you would get precisely 1,200 ohms? No -- most
    of these resistors have a tolerance affixed -- with the carbon
    composition resistors having tolerances of 20%, 10% or 5%, allowing (for
    the 20% case) a range of from 960 ohms to 1440 ohms. And the actual
    value changes with the temperature anyway.

    This display is just the same. It is a guess (estimate) anyway,
    nobody knows how many images you will *really* get in there -- and it is
    almost certainly going to be greater than the number specified (let's
    assume that the readout is now saying "999" -- a precise number -- but
    it is almost certainly *wrong*. Nikon has made its estimate on the
    conservative side, so you can't walk up to them as say "It said that I
    could get 999 images and I only got 950 images -- your camera is
    defective."

    Nikon does not *owe* you, me, or anyone else, a precise count,
    and the manual (you do read the manuals, don't you?) will tell you that
    it is a rough indication (and will tell you the range which given
    indication covers). Since there is no way to be certain of how many
    images it will actually hold until they are taken, what is the need for
    wasting space on the top readout to try to be more precise.

    Why not simply assume that the 'k' displayed is actually a
    distorted '+' and forget this thread?

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Feb 28, 2007
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  20. maya

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Because when the larger SD cards come out (like the 4GB CF card
    which I have in my D70), and when you switch to the smallest image
    format with the most compression, you exceed 10,000 estimated images (as
    I posted just a bit back -- but after you had written this), under such
    circumstances my D70 with a 4GB CF card says that it can get 15.1K, so
    where is your space for the '+ sign now? Oh -- you want to have to send
    your camera in for reprogramming when the SD cards reach 4GB in size, so
    you can have your '+' until then? And remember that last position is
    *not* the images of all the digits from 0 through 9 -- it is a
    seven-segment display -- the number is made of bars which are turned on
    or off -- and you would need to add another bar to get the vertical bar
    in the middle of the '+' sign.

    Forget it -- it is not that important.

    Or are you just a troll?

    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Feb 28, 2007
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