Damaged MiniDV Tape

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by P & L, Aug 18, 2006.

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    P & L Guest

    Not sure if this is the best newsgroup but..



    Unpacking one of our suitcases from holiday, we found that a couple of hair
    shampoo bottles leaked in our suitcase and into one of the MiniDV tape from
    our holiday (was forced to put tape in case at airport check-in due to
    security measures). The tape does appear to have some shampoo inside the
    casing, but not sure how much.



    Anyone got any idea on how to salvage the tape as it has bits of the
    children taking part in a play. Have not played the tape in the camcorder as
    worried the shampoo may damage the heads.



    Thanks for any ideas
     
    P & L, Aug 18, 2006
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    Bill Fright Guest

    I'd hand it over to someone with a studio deck. Shampoo won't really
    hurt the heads but they are going to have to be cleaned afterwards and
    probably a few times during transfer. So will the guides and pinch rollers.

    On the other hand if you have an old camera you don't use anymore you
    can try a dub and toss it afterwards.
     
    Bill Fright, Aug 18, 2006
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    Mr. Tapeguy Guest

    I dunno Bill I'd be a little hesitant to put shampoo in my deck, much
    less lather, rinse and repeat. This could actually spread shampoo to
    parts of the tape where it may not already be.

    I like option #2 better but most people don't have an extra.

    Personally I would have someone open the cassette and survey the damage
    before putting it in a machine.

    Craig

    http://www.pro-tape.com
     
    Mr. Tapeguy, Aug 18, 2006
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    Bob A Guest

    I'd hand it over to someone with a studio deck. Shampoo won't really
    Ding, Ding - That will have to rank as the worst advice of the year!!!
    The spinning heads will spool up, crumple and crinkle that tape beyond
    recognition.
    DO NOT put that tape in ANY machine, it will be certain death to the
    machine and more certainly the tape will be destroyed. The tape must be
    cleaned by a qualified tape recovery company. If the shampoo has not
    eaten the binder on the tape then most or all of it may be recovered. I
    highly recommend calling www.AVRS.net they are fully capable of
    recovering the tape.
     
    Bob A, Aug 19, 2006
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    Absolutely. Very irresponsible advice without actually
    seeing the tape and making a proper assessment.
    Couldn't agree more.
     
    Richard Crowley, Aug 19, 2006
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    Bill Fright Guest

    That's your opinion. Let's review shall we, since you thought it wiser
    to leave out his post.

    He said he was desperate for the video. How are you going to recover ANY
    of it without putting it in a deck. I told him to take it to someone
    with a studio deck thinking that since that person bought a "real" deck
    he could assess what to do.

    Let's face it. MiniDV is a throw away format any way. That's why I
    recommended putting the tape in a throw away camera.

    You sure got your panties in a bunch!!!
     
    Bill Fright, Aug 19, 2006
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    Bob A Guest

    Wow, I can't believe you want to continue to defend that idiotic
    advice!! Putting any tape with a contaminant on it will instantly cause
    the head, which spins a 9,000 RPM before contacting the tape to grab
    and pull bunches of tape and hopelessly crinkle it up in a pile.
    Usually ruining the video head at the same time. Cameras even shut down
    if the tiniest amount of dew is possible. Your complete lack of
    understanding about the tape recovery process is understandable, but
    rest assured the tape would NOT be put in to any in any player until it
    had been thoroughly cleaned and dried. That is accomplished using decks
    that look like players but have no heads and have absorbent pads where
    the guide posts would normally be. I have seen a couple of those
    machines working which, by the way, were custom built by the
    aforementioned www.AVRS.net.
    Mr. Fright, Please don't let your lack of knowledge and ego cause
    this poor fellow the complete loss of his tape. Your advice is dead
    wrong and certain to damage a very large section of his precious tape
    and whatever equipment it is put in. If he took it and asked someone to
    put it is a "studio deck" (whatever you mean by that?) they would
    laugh him out of the building for sure.
     
    Bob A, Aug 21, 2006
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  8. "Bob A" wrote ...
    He's apparently never seen this happen or he would try to
    recall all that bad advice. Just one of the hazzards of getting
    advice here on Usenet.
     
    Richard Crowley, Aug 21, 2006
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    Bob A Guest

    Mr. Fright is a prime example of why I quit participating in this and a
    couple of other video newsgroups a couple of years ago. There is a new
    crop of "expert DeJour" every week making wildly wrong statements like
    that and then defending them in spite of contrary facts. The internet
    could be a tremendous source of information but, unfortunately folks
    like Mr. Fright pollute it with the need to respond without a clue
    about the subject matter. I read fairly regularly but will return to a
    non-participating role again. I have noticed that you (Mr. Crowley)
    have hung in there while Rome is burning, accolades to you sir.
     
    Bob A, Aug 21, 2006
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  10. Bingo. Exactly why he should *NOT* just throw the tape
    into a camcorder or VCR without some expert evaluation
    of the rists.
    Good. If you had left it at that, there would be no controversy.
     
    Richard Crowley, Aug 21, 2006
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    GMAN Guest

    Well I have yet to decide what is worse, the "expert of the week" who comes in
    and spouts off, or the arraogant little F&^ks that live here and act like God
    with their so called superior intellects.
     
    GMAN, Aug 21, 2006
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    Mr. Tapeguy Guest

    You guys have it all wrong. The correct answer would be to pour some
    conditioner on the tape before you try to rescue it and if possible, a
    creme rinse thereafter.

    Craig

    http://www.pro-tape.com

    Adobe - Apple - Canon - Vidal Sasson - Paul Mitchell
     
    Mr. Tapeguy, Aug 22, 2006
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    ushere Guest

    and don't forget the curling tongs.....
     
    ushere, Aug 22, 2006
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    GMAN Guest

     
    GMAN, Aug 22, 2006
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    Bob Ford Guest

    At one time this group was populated by a lot of working pro's (Bill
    Farnsworth, Larry Jandro, Bill Davis etc.) who had lot's of good info
    to share. Many of them no longer take time to contribute.
    Oh, I almost forgot ol' Conduit ;-^)

    Now it seems to have migrated to a bunch of newbies who want someone
    else to:

    Do the research for them and tell them which camera to buy.

    Tell them how to fix their damaged DV tape.
    Giving it a shampoo was priceless

    Can I buy a video camcorder for less than $5k that will equal the
    quality of the Panaflex 35 mm cameras used in the movie industry etc.

    Last I knew Panny doesn't even sell these and they are by rental only.
    May not be the case now.
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Aug 23, 2006
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    Bob A Guest

    Gee thanks GMAN for confirming that not participating in groups like
    this anymore is the right decision.
     
    Bob A, Aug 23, 2006
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    GMAN Guest

    Well its true. Some here seem to think we are to kiss the hand of the
    expert like he was the Pope or king for answering a newbies question.

    SOME of you pro's need to quit acting hollier than thou.
     
    GMAN, Aug 23, 2006
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