Darkroom Advantage

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by wishful thinker, Jul 8, 2007.

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    Lloyd Erlick Guest

    July 10, 2007, from Lloyd Erlick,

    I see I used the apostrophe incorrectly, too!
    It's its indeed.

    I've never had occasion to try to teach use
    of the apostrophe to someone whose first
    language was not English. The few times I've
    tried with native English speakers I've
    regretted it, too.

    Lloyd Erlick, Jul 10, 2007
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  2. It's a new field and it's software. Someone will come up with an
    improvment and that will be improved and so on.

    However they have two things working for them. One is as it get's
    closer, less people will be able to tell, and the ones that really
    do know the difference will die off.

    You also have to understand that the "record sound" and "tube sound"
    was caused by distortion added by the equipment. I spent a 11 years
    working at a folk music club and hearing live music every Sunday night.

    I know what live music is supposed to sound like, and I don't miss
    LP's nor tubes.

    I also don't miss the grain effects of movie film and the exagerated
    colors of Technicolor or Ektachrome type movie film. I'm perfectly
    happy watching (high quality) direct to digital video over 16mm

    Somebody (I think it was Ausus) had a motherboard with on board
    Audio that included a vaccum tube preamp. I'd love to have one on
    my office wall, but not actually in a computer. :)

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jul 10, 2007
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  3. 'Soon', the general public will have forgotten what images captured on
    B/W film look like and you be able get a away with horrible, cheesy effects.
    And some time after that people will believe that B/W looked just like the
    cheesy effects.
    Philip Homburg, Jul 10, 2007
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  5. Silver-Gelatine prints - the few the museum has - will be hanging
    with its sole surviving Daguerreotype.

    Visitors will be astounded: "Look Marge, a photograph
    can't get inside and walk around in."
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jul 10, 2007
  6. Lloyd Erlick spake thus:
    .... except that you might have made a hell of a lot more money that way.
    (Or not.)

    Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
    of use of the word "****" is incapable of writing a good summary
    and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
    This is an inviolable rule.

    - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
    David Nebenzahl, Jul 10, 2007
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    Dana Myers Guest

    Does she even know where to get 120 film? I don't think
    Rite-Aid sells it any longer...

    Dana Myers, Jul 10, 2007
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    Dana Myers Guest

    As long as there's interest in the concept. Perhaps the niche
    is best served by capturing on silver film in the first place.
    Of course. It's no different than "film look" - we've become accustomed
    to the characteristics of the reproduction technology, to the point that
    it is, for some, an essential part of the experience.

    Here's a link to a review of one of Aopen's motherboards
    with a vacuum tube (they made several):


    I do not believe they still make any motherboards with vacuum tubes.

    Dana Myers, Jul 10, 2007
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    Rebecca Ore Guest

    She knows the url for B&H. Some of her acquaintences at school (she's
    an architecture major) shoot medium format.
    Rebecca Ore, Jul 10, 2007
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    David Starr Guest

    I'm not interested in competing. I enjoy my wet darkroom & have no desire to
    change. I don't find RA-4 printing all that difficult. I shoot the film, I
    process it & print it myself.
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    David Starr, Jul 10, 2007
  11. If that might give you some more hope, I started photography quite a few years
    later than 12 (and 9) when my father bought me a second hand minolta -- there
    was no digital consumer market back then (a "back then" which for most of you
    surely barely means something :) ). It was enough for me to want to know

    IMHO it is more important to start making pictures and learn from them, whether
    the camera uses sensors or film, than using your own enlarger from the
    beginning. If photography grabs you by the throat and doesn't let you go, you
    will always be willing to learn more.

    If not, it is still some small piece of knowledge and experience that you have
    and might ameliorate your quality of life by a tiny amount. :)

    Thierry Dussuet, Jul 11, 2007
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    Dana Myers Guest


    Dana Myers, Jul 11, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    But getting a camera without any film as a Christmas gift is like
    getting a robot with no batteries. You could have loaded a roll, and
    thrown in an automatic flash so she could get some family snapshots
    without having to worry about what does what.
    Rob Morley, Jul 11, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    It's Royal Mail here, not USPS. I didn't say I was in a position to
    give stuff away - I look for bargains because that's all I can afford.
    Rob Morley, Jul 11, 2007
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    Rebecca Ore Guest

    She shot some film while she was here and I developed and scanned it.

    Rebecca Ore, Jul 11, 2007
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    Bob AZ Guest

    On Jul 10, 7:35?am, I chatted with the sales guy, who
    As you know sales folks will say anything to sell anything. Product
    knowledge is their short suit. In this case the sales guy probably did
    not know digital from silver. Or even spell the words.

    I went 99% digital about 2? years ago. Today I am taking better
    pictures under the usually disasterous condtions in which I work.
    Horrible lighting is routine. But the ability of the digital computer,
    digital camera and digital printer to make a very nice print is far
    easier and better then silver camera, silver darkroom and silver
    chemistry. And all at home in my office where I have everything to
    work with.

    Bob AZ
    Bob AZ, Jul 11, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    You look like someone I used to know, but I can't remember who (I'm
    terrible with names and faces).
    I like the previous picture:
    "So ... this funny black box thing is a camera, and this massive book
    tells me how to use it?" :)
    Rob Morley, Jul 11, 2007
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    Rebecca Ore Guest

    I look like any number of generic older but not quite old women.

    Yeah, that one was pretty amusing. She was actually intrigued more with
    the Leica.

    The thing that was missing was a reliable light meter. Well, she has a
    shelf queen, at least.
    Rebecca Ore, Jul 11, 2007
  19. That certainly is a key difference: I have no desire to sit in a darkroom
    if I don't have to.
    Philip Homburg, Jul 11, 2007
  20. From what I've seen from someone trying to send me a set of old software,
    the one place in the U.K. where you WILL NOT find a bargain is the Royal

    Here the Post Office has learned that if you send anyone money, you must be
    rich. :) They dropped postal money orders in exchange for a Western Union
    wire transfer service. The cheap option is to a bank account. You can wire
    $2,000 for a $15 fee. Unfortunately, the $15 fee applies if you want to wire
    $1 too.

    Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jul 11, 2007
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