Date + time display problem with Sony D8 and Studio 8?

Discussion in 'Sony' started by Jack, Dec 14, 2003.

  1. Jack

    Jack Guest

    I have a Sony DCR-TR7000 and I use FireWire to transfer data to PC and I use
    Studio 8.
    I capture using full DV quality.

    I get the edited film to DVD fine and I can watch it on TV ok, but it's
    missing the original date + time (when originally taped).
    I have tried to look from Studio settings and from Sony settings, but I have
    not been able to find the setting how I can get this date to display on the
    final product.

    I can see this datacode on the tapes in the camera and I would like to have
    it on the DVD's too.

    Thanks,

    Jan
    Finland
     
    Jack, Dec 14, 2003
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  2. Jack

    Jerry. Guest

    How about placing a caption overlay on the time-line whilst editing ? Not
    what you seem to be asking but simple enough to produce.
     
    Jerry., Dec 14, 2003
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  3. Jack

    Jack Guest

    Yes, that is one way to do it, but this way I have to take down the date of
    each clip before edit and mach clip with correct date.
    It works, but it seems to me, that there should be an easier way to use the
    original datacode, since it's transferred through the FireWire same time
    with the DV .

    Jan
     
    Jack, Dec 15, 2003
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  4. Jack

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Are you sure about that?
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 15, 2003
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  5. Strange that none of us can name any editing package that provides the
    facility isn't it? None claim it in their feature list.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Dec 15, 2003
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  6. Jack

    Jack Guest

    It was mentioned in either camera or Studio manual, that the time/date info
    is transferred along with the DV on the FireWire at the same time.

    Jan
     
    Jack, Dec 15, 2003
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  7. Jack

    Tony Morgan Guest

    It's obviously something that neither the IEEE1394 nor the IEEE 1394TA
    standards committees have been told about :)
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 15, 2003
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  8. Jack

    Darcy O'Bree Guest


    You're right Jack, it is transferred, I just don't know of any editing
    applications that allow you to display it as a title. In some, such as
    iMovie, it is displayed as part of the clip info but that's as far as it
    goes. Anyone know of an application that will enable the display of this
    data as a title?

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    Darcy O┬╣Bree
    Digital Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 15, 2003
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  9. Jack

    Jack Guest

    Actually, the date stamp in the bottom of the screen, the way it is in the
    camera display, would be good enough.

    Jan
     
    Jack, Dec 15, 2003
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  10. Jack

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    Exactly. The camcorder has an internal title generator which creates
    that "stamp" whenever you select it. All you need is for the editing
    software to perform the same function.

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    Darcy O'Bree
    Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre/
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 15, 2003
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  11. It seems none of us knows, so I'll add to the confusion.

    When I was beta testing Sony's ES3 a few years ago (at the time the
    most advanced DV editor bar none) I asked if they could provide the
    original tape data and timecode as an in-picture output and was told
    it would require extra hardware. Maybe that's a clue as to why no
    software only solution currently offers the facility though why that
    should be I haven't a clue.
     
    Malcolm Knight, Dec 15, 2003
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  12. Jack

    Jerry. Guest

    But surely that is not a problem if you do it at the same time as logging
    [1] your shot before capturing then to your computer - you do log your shots
    don't you.... :~)

    [1] to decided what shots you need as there is no point in filling your HDD
    with files you wont use.
     
    Jerry., Dec 15, 2003
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  13. Jack

    Darcy O'Bree Guest

    Malcolm Knight wrote:

    If Apple can feed that data into the clip info on something as dopey as
    iMovie I'd have thought it shouldn't be too hard to feed it into a title
    template. It's a mystery!

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    Darcy O'Bree
    Media Studios Manager
    Faculty of Arts, Media and Design
    Staffordshire University

    http://www.staffs.ac.uk/academic/artdesign/mediacentre/
     
    Darcy O'Bree, Dec 15, 2003
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  14. Jack

    Jack Guest

    It just seems so strange that I would have to watch the tapes first and
    write down the dates of each separate scenes and then capture the scenes,
    edit them, locate the correct scenes and add the dates manually.
    It should not be such a difficult task for the software to perform this
    task.

    Jan
     
    Jack, Dec 15, 2003
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  15. You are right, I've frequently needed an in-picture time-code output
    but can't do it except directly from a tape.

    BTW, do you see how much easier it is to follow a thread if you add
    comment at the bottom?
     
    Malcolm Knight, Dec 15, 2003
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  16. Jack

    Jerry. Guest

    <snip>

    What, edit your movie for you ?!..

    How do you know what shots you want from your footage if you don't log
    (watch) it first and create an EDL for capturing. I suspect the reason this
    facility is not provided on most editing software is because it has very
    limited use (even less than auto scene detection).
     
    Jerry., Dec 15, 2003
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  17. Jack

    Jack Guest

    Yes, I do that, but the way I do it is as follows:
    I capture the whole tape in DV quality and let Studio separate the scenes
    automatically according to the date.
    After this I cut and edit the scenes.
    But the only way for me to see the date is either in the TV or on camera's
    viewfinder.

    Jan
     
    Jack, Dec 15, 2003
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  18. Jack

    Jerry. Guest

    But BITC [1] is not what Jack seems to be wanting, or have grasped hold of
    the wrong stick again ?
     
    Jerry., Dec 15, 2003
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  19. Jack

    Jerry. Guest

    So you don't in fact do what I was talking about, you decided what you want
    to use once it is on your hard drive, there are many reasons why this is not
    a good way of doing things.

    And on a TV (or TV production monitor) is the best place to 'review' what
    you have shot, just as it is the place to view your finished project before
    committing back to tape or burnt to DVD, only by viewing on a TV (or TV
    production monitor) will you see correctly how things like colours etc.
    look - computer monitors are not designed to display an interlaced signal.
     
    Jerry., Dec 15, 2003
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  20. AIUI Jack wanted an output of his time and date and maybe lens
    aperture etc. I have no need for those but it seemed to me that there
    was a similarity between time-code output and data etc. Now I've
    thought about it a bit more I'm not so sure.

    Back in the days when we shot on analogue formats it was the mark of
    the true amateur that his pictures were ruined by a permanent date
    imprint. Maybe these people are getting nostagic over their loss. ;-)
     
    Malcolm Knight, Dec 15, 2003
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