Daughter's Wedding Experience

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Steven Wandy, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    My daughter just got married and they had choosen a photographer in New
    Jersey by recommendations.
    About a month before the wedding, they met with the primary photographer
    (there were supposed to be two at the wedding and we ended up with three)
    for "engagement photos" at the hall where the affair would take place. Guy
    took about 85 pics and posted them online. I am fairly critical of mine and
    others work and liked about 10 shots. My son-in-law, who is a professional
    photographer, liked only 3 and considered having a "chat" with the
    photographer.

    Well, during the evening of the affair, they set up a laptop with a small
    sampling of the photos taken earlier and they were great. Everyone was blown
    away - including Chad (the groom).

    While Chad and I were looking at the pictures I made a comment about how
    much easier digital must make their jobs than film. They can immediately
    check composition and exposure on the cameras and let's be honest - if you
    are a "professional" and can't get 100 good shots out of the approximately
    800-900 that the three guys took, you should really find a new job.
    When I made these remarks to Chad, his answer was, "Yeah, with film you had
    to be GOOD."
     
    Steven Wandy, Nov 9, 2005
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  2. Steven Wandy

    MR Guest

    Yeh, I sometimes feel like I'm cheating when I correct images in PS, like I
    should have got the shot right in the first place after 20 years in the
    game.
    Then my customers love the photos and hand me a check and the feeling goes
    away :)
     
    MR, Nov 9, 2005
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  3. Steven Wandy

    Meershaum Guest

    I had two photogs at my wedding. At the time, I, too, had been a
    professional photog and shot some hundred or so weddings and
    Bar-Mitzvahs myself. Yet when I told the photographer (my soon to be
    cousin-in-law) that her strobe wasn't going off, she poo-pooed me by
    telling me that the film was 1000 ASA and not to worry. Her husband was
    doing the backup shooting with another camera. His camera's strobe
    wasn't working either. Long story short....All the shots were
    underexposed, including the formals. It took her over a year to send
    us the two shots that were salvageable.

    I like digital. I can see if it's underexposed NOW. Saves a lot of
    embarassment. And afterall, what makes a photog is knowing when to go:
    'click'.
     
    Meershaum, Nov 9, 2005
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  4. Steven Wandy

    Skinner1 Guest

    Was it Ansel Adams that said "you MAKE a good photograph?"

    Maybe it was not him... I could not find a reference.... but I do know
    that many of his most famous photographs were composites.

    Every time you enter a darkroom you are manipulating the original
    image.

    Photographers have been lamenting the onset of automatic photography
    for decades now. And there are still professionals and amatures. The
    amatures usually don't last long in the professional world.

    That being said, I went out and did a TON of digital shots a couple of
    weekends for a friend. The subject were her horses. I will say that
    your subject matter makes a LOT of difference. IF you are posing shots
    you should make fewer shots to get superb results. If you are shooting
    spontaneous events then I feel the more you click, you more you will
    have that saick. I took 234 shots that dat and thus far have selected
    about 40 that are good, about 15 that are great.

    Funny thing...... She wants to pay me for about 80 of them!

    It's all in the eye of the beholder.
     
    Skinner1, Nov 10, 2005
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  5. I can really appreciate this. It happens every time my wife and I go out
    and do portraits in someone's home. Of course we do the standard posed
    ones, but then we try to capture some "candid ones" as well. We have
    learned to classify the ones we like as "Photographer's Choice". But
    more often than not the customer likes some of our "rejects" better for
    some reason or other. I used to worry about this, but have since learned
    that they are the customer and it's their money - so let the choose,
    unless the photo is just too gross to be worthy of our name - and then
    we eliminate it before the customer sees it.
    Michael Neville
     
    Michael Neville, Nov 10, 2005
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  6. Steven Wandy

    Skinner1 Guest

    Portraits in the customer's home..... This is a feature I have long
    wanted to develope as I have no studio space myself.

    Have you had much luck with it??
     
    Skinner1, Nov 11, 2005
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  7. My studio was rather small (12x21), so anything more than 3 people was
    done on location. I liked going into people's homes and doing groups.
    They're with their own "stuff" and it's much more personal. It takes a
    bit of creativity sometimes to get a decent image. And remember,
    photography is 10% inspiration and 90% moving furniture.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 11, 2005
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  8. Steven Wandy

    Skinner1 Guest

    Not to mention more relaxed!

    How tense are people when they come into the Photographer's
    "Professional Studio"?? I mean, they had to get cleaned up... get the
    kids cleaned up and KEEP everybody that way for the trip TO the
    studio. It just seems to me that doing the shots in the person's home
    would be so much more natural and relaxed.

    The problem I have wrestled with is the profitability of the venture.
    I mean, just how many sittings could you do in a good day? And how
    would you charge for it? In this day and age of escalating fuel costs
    and all.... and the time to re-set up your "studio" each sitting.....
    it seems to be a rather cost in-efficient method of performing the
    function.
     
    Skinner1, Nov 12, 2005
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  9. Steven Wandy

    Sheila Marie Guest

    Yes, Ansel Adams once stated, "You don't take a good photograph, you make
    it."

    "Ansel Adams Quotes and Quotations." Brainy Quotes Database. 2004 Brainy
    Media. 2 February 2004
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/anseladams125414.html



    Sheila Marie
     
    Sheila Marie, Nov 12, 2005
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  10. Very true.
    Well, after a while, you develop some "stock" lighting techniques that
    work just about anywhere. I've done several in a day. But this is a
    small community so driving around isn't a problem.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 12, 2005
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  11. Steven Wandy

    GK User Guest

    Sounds like you could have had twelve photographers shooting at your wedding
    and I about froze in reading when you said 1000ASA for Wedding Formals. Now
    I know there is some good low light film out there but they must not have
    planned on anything larger than a 5x7. Maybe you are lucky then that they
    didn't have a flash for most likely you would have seen shadows out the ying
    and red eyes galore. I wonder, in the pics that did come out, was the white
    balance okay for the lighting? And let me guess .. Cameras, film, but no
    light meter what so ever? I wonder if you can salvage anything from the
    negatives by scanning them and using PS to enhance what you have?
     
    GK User, Nov 13, 2005
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  12. I used ASA 100 film for weddings for 22 years. But then, I used strobes.
     
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 13, 2005
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