Demise of monochrome printing paper.

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by James Silverton, Mar 6, 2006.

  1. Hello, All!

    I don't usually read things like Art News but I looked at it in
    the library today. According to them, despite the moans of art
    professors about the loss of "art and poetry", Kodak has
    announced stopping manufacture of black and white paper and Agfa
    and Ilford are bankrupt. AFAIK, that only leaves Fuji among the
    major manufacturers. It looks like digital photography is going
    to gather more recruits!

    Incidentally, the last time I had some monochrome 5x7 prints of
    my granddaughter done by MotoPhoto they were very satisfactory.
    The image file was produced by scanning a commercial black and
    white print.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland, USA
    James Silverton, Mar 6, 2006
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    rafe b Guest

    The upside is that the major vendors of inkjet printers
    are finally acknowledging the BW/monochrome market.

    rafe b
    rafe b, Mar 6, 2006
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  3. James Silverton

    John Fryatt Guest

    My understanding was that Ilford Imaging Limited the overall holding
    company) was bankrupt, that the administrators had sold off Ilford
    Imaging Switzerland (the digital papers etc. division) to Oji Paper of
    Japan, and that the film/paper/chemicals division had been acquired
    through a management buy-out who are named Harman Technology and are
    trading as Ilford Photo.

    So, the rumours of the demise of Ilford film and paper is a bit
    premature it would seem. Not that I've bought any recently, but
    Silverprint list all the Ilford stuff.

    John Fryatt, Mar 6, 2006
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    Jem Raid Guest

    Good riddance.

    A photographic friend of mine had to have a lung collapsed, he never smoked,
    he blames it squarely on the photo chemicals he (and I) used to make B&W
    prints. A week after I found out I took my chemicals to the local authority
    tip and started using my digital camera properly.

    As for the art and poetry of B&W prints, thats just bollocks spouted by
    idiots who are entirely ignorant of the ridiculous complexities needed to
    make prints 'in the old fashoined way'.

    Digital cameras and inkjet printers have freed photographers from all the
    horrible drudgery and allowed them to concentrate on the image, its sense
    and content.

    Jem Raid, Mar 6, 2006
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    Rich Guest

    When vinyl tanked due to CDs, small firms popped up to produce vinyl
    again, issuing various albums, some even from big named bands for
    those who wanted them. Although I don't see this happening with
    film, printer paper might be feasible to do on a smaller scale.
    Rich, Mar 6, 2006
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    rafe b Guest

    BW photo paper is pretty low tech, isn't it?
    The big names may not care about it, but there
    will be small niche vendors willing to make it, I bet.

    And color photo paper still has a huge market, so
    it's not going away.

    rafe b
    rafe b, Mar 6, 2006
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    Skip M Guest

    Funny you should mention that. I got an email today from an acquaintance
    who attended something called "The Silver Conference," at the Pasadena Art
    Center College of Design. Put on by Ilford, and heavily attended, the
    Ilford reps claim that they are not abandoning monochrome, but, indeed,
    their monochrome film and paper sales increased more than 40% last year. (No
    surprise, there, with everybody else bailing on it, somebody has to be
    selling stuff!) They are introducing a new selenium toner soon, and several
    new sizes in sheet film. The rumor abounded, apparently, that Kodak may
    follow suite.
    Skip M, Mar 7, 2006
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    bob Guest

    There's a cottage industry that supplies people who choose to make their
    own b&w paper. Some of them actually make the paper itself, but most
    simply coat manufactured paper. It's not hard. Basically you brush the
    emulsion onto the paper.

    If no one made sheet film it would be a problem.

    fwiw, Ilford is currently marketing 9 different b&w papers.

    bob, Mar 7, 2006
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    miles Guest

    I did mostly color at home and loved it. I didn't find it all that
    difficult at least for basic work. There are several different paper
    types with different processing methods. I used one that was no more
    difficult than B&W with only 2 chemicals. Once you get the enlarger
    filters set right for a given paper I found color quite easy.

    I still have my old enlarger in the garage as well as other dark room
    equipment. I keep thinking I'll put it all up on ebay but then I think
    about setting it up again. Someday I'll do one or the other! lol
    miles, Mar 10, 2006
  10. James Silverton

    rafe b Guest

    Yeah, I've got a 40 year old Omega B22-XL sitting in the
    basement. Made many a print on that beast, back in the
    late 1960s and into the 1970s. It's looking for a good

    I don't miss that era much, though -- at least not for
    the darkroom work I did. I get much better results from
    the "digital darkroom."

    We used to do a *lot* of things the hard way back then.
    Like assembly language programming. Some skills are
    best forgotten.

    rafe b
    rafe b, Mar 10, 2006
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