Developing and printing...... how easy?

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by Paul Giverin, May 20, 2009.

  1. Paul Giverin

    Bruce Guest

    Make sure it is well ventilated. The fumes from the chemicals demand
    good ventilation. An attic works well because the eaves and tiles
    usually leak air, and there's a lot of air volume to begin with. A
    blacked out shed may be more of a challenge.
    Bruce, May 22, 2009
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    Paul Giverin Guest

    Thanks Bruce, I'll bear that in mind.

    Paul Giverin

    British Jet Engine Website:-

    My photos:-
    Paul Giverin, May 22, 2009
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  3. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    I doubt it, at least in the medium term. From what I can see, film is
    undergoing a resurgence at the moment, largely due to all that darkroom
    kit and cameras fetching buggerall. Lots of people are now picking up
    cameras they never thought about affording before.
    Sure, plenty of them will only be used occasionally or even only the
    once, just out of curiousity, but there will still be many who will
    continue to shoot, or take up shooting, film. Certainly enough to keep
    firms like Fuji going, I would hope.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 23, 2009
  4. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Ignore Bruce. He's a well-known arsehole who loves arguing over nothing.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 23, 2009
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    Paul Giverin Guest

    Well the guy *gave* me a Pentax 135mm f3.5 lens and wouldn't even accept
    money for the postage. I wish there were more arseholes like that.

    Paul Giverin

    British Jet Engine Website:-

    My photos:-
    Paul Giverin, May 23, 2009
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    Chris H Guest

    The "resurgence" of film AFAICS is only a few percent or just a
    levelling out of the 90% decline of film over the last decade.

    As all the pro's in journalism etc who were the heavy users of film
    went digital many types of film disappeared and shelf stocks became a
    fraction of what the were.

    The numbers going back to film or getting dark rooms are, as you point
    out buying second hand kit at boot sales. So there is not a "resurgence"
    but a small number people replacing those who are stopping.

    The reason why dev kit is fetching bugger all is that no one (very few)
    want it.
    Nothing like enough to keep the film companies going. You can still get
    photographic plates but they are going to be a lot more expensive
    compared to what they were and almost made to order.

    The other problem is shelf life. Film only has a finite life and AFAIK
    the film companies are running smaller batches with longer between each
    batch. This is why many films have been dropped. Not enough demand for
    minimum batch on maximum time between batches.

    Eventually there will only be three films available. One each of
    colour positive, colour neg, B&W neg and they will be expensive.

    There are many types of camera where the film is already no longer
    available. 35mm should last longer than most but I think that by about
    2020 film will be "special order" when it is available and you will need
    to pre-order what you want for the next 3 years.

    They will not make the film until the pre-orders reach the minimum run
    Chris H, May 25, 2009
  7. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

    Well, I hope enough stick with it for a while yet. As digital gets
    better and better, the large formats still retain a quality lead. Hah,
    the irony of it - the first film sizes might well be the last to be
    made, if enough bods get into LF.
    And, for those of a masochistic bent, LF plates can be home-brewed.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 28, 2009
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    Geoff Berrow Guest

    Daguerreotypes anyone?
    Geoff Berrow, May 28, 2009
  9. I thought that and still kept some large format gear around intending to
    get back into it one day. Then I read about Gigapan (try google if this
    is new to you). With the possibilities that this opens up, I really
    can't see myself using film again.
    Willy Eckerslyke, May 29, 2009
  10. Multi-image panoramas are not particularly new; most of mine have been
    done freehand, but not all. See:-
    (Reduced to 25% of original)

    (reduced 50% and heavily compressed)

    It's nice to know there's a machine for doing it!!

    "What impressed me was the shear simplicity of using the GigaPan EPIC."
    I assume there's a danger of cutting one's fingers off - it is, after
    all digital technology! ;-)

    Michael J Davis

    Photography takes an instant out of time,
    altering life by holding it still. - Dorothea Lange
    Michael J Davis, May 29, 2009
  11. I'd made panoramas before (using PTGui for 360° ones), but it had never
    occurred to me to use the technique purely to increase the resolution
    above what I could record in a single frame.
    It's the shear number of images that amaze me. Over 7000 for that beach
    scene - and 18 hours of processing! I still haven't figured out how
    they managed to take all those shots without the tide appearing to
    change either. Even the waves seem to blend in well.
    Doesn't work, I just get a Yahoo page inviting me to sign up.
    Quite cheaply too, though the machine doesn't appear to be essential as
    the software is supposed to work independently (I haven't tried it yet).
    Willy Eckerslyke, May 29, 2009
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    Bruce Guest

    Not much in the way of camera movements with Gigapan. I have a feeling
    that large format film will be with us for a long time yet.
    Bruce, May 29, 2009
  13. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember Willy Eckerslyke
    I've seen it - also the total cockup it makes of large scenes with
    moving elements in them. I've also taken plenty panos, but the one thing
    they can't do well is make people stand still. Witness the Inauguration
    Speech shot, where, if you scan along to the right of the crowd, you'll
    see mysterious legs and torsos with missing owners - freaky stuff. :)
    One thing a single LF shot can do is capture everything at once.

    I'm getting into 4x5 just for laughs, before it all disappears - feck
    it, why not? The kit was too pricey years ago, but now it's easily got
    and processing costs are the lowest they've ever been, with a chemical
    kit and Jobo (or similar). Imo, MF and LF will be around a while yet.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 30, 2009
  14. Some of them. As I said, I'm very impressed with the way it dealt with
    the surface of the sea in the beach photo that appears so prominently on
    the website. It's very hard to get a seamless join of even calm water,
    let alone lines of surf, yet the only problems I can spot with that
    image are a couple of minor steps on the horizon.
    Yup, it puzzled me why they made such a big deal of that image as it
    just doesn't work for me and was doomed to failure from the start (IMO).
    The above is only my personal view, I'm not saying that LF is superceded
    for everyone, just me. For me, LF means taking the time to compose the
    photo, using a tripod and generally slowing down my working method - in
    order to record an image at a much higher resolution than I'd get with
    an SLR. Gigapan ticks all those boxes.
    Having spent 20 years working in the darkroom, I don't relish the
    opportunity to get back into "wet" photography in the way that others
    might, so that's an extra couple of boxes that I can happily leave unticked.
    If you want some s/h Jobo tanks for the price of the postage, drop me an
    email. Just un-mung my email address in the obvious way.
    I hope so.
    Willy Eckerslyke, Jun 1, 2009
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